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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Agree that a rationale must be provided, every time.&nbsp;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"> accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew Shears<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 18, 2016 3:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robin Gross; accountability-cross-community@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] DOCUMENT - Rec 11 - GAC Advice (first reading)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 18/01/2016 20:00, Robin Gross wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree that we need to remove the &#8220;every effort&#8221; language, which is indeed a loophole.. &nbsp;A rationale should be provided by the AC. &nbsp;Period. &nbsp;Next issue.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jan 18, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Greg Shatan &lt;<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">That recommendation (&quot;every effort&quot;) is inadequate and frankly, bizarre.&nbsp; Under what circumstances could an AC make &quot;every effort&quot; and still fail to provide a rationale?&nbsp; If an AC makes &quot;every
 effort&quot; to develop a rationale and still fails, what does that tell us about the recommendation?&nbsp; That no rational support can be found for it?&nbsp; That the AC can agree on the result but not the rationale?&nbsp; That the AC would rather not state the rationale?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">For those who say that the GAC already offers rationales for their recommendations -- if those rationales were considered satisfactory, this issue would not have been raised in the first
 place.&nbsp; If necessary, we can go back to specific items of advice, and the rationales or lack thereof; but I don't know that we have the time to engage in such an exercise.&nbsp; For one, I recall that in the .africa IRP concerns were raised about the lack of a
 sufficiently-stated rationale.&nbsp; If the GAC is looking for greater parity with GNSO PDP policy recommendations, the documentation accompanying those recommendations should serve as a guide.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">It is heartening to hear that the GAC is already working on improving their communication the rationales for their advice.&nbsp; As such, we all seem to be moving in the same direction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">With that in mind, there should be no real issue with removing the squishy &quot;every effort&quot; loophole and stating an unqualified requirement for a rationale for all AC advice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Steve DelBianco &lt;<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Mathieu &#8212; &nbsp;Regarding formal advice from any Advisory Committee (AC), many commenters reiterated that a rationale should be a
<u>requirement</u> for advice to be considered by the board. &nbsp; (BC,&nbsp;NPOC, Google, USCIB, RySG, Valideus, the US Chamber, RrSG, NCUC, I2C, Intel, IPC)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&lt;<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Mathieu Weill &lt;<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, January 18, 2016 at 3:10 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Greg Shatan &lt;<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>&gt;, Mike Chartier &lt;<a href="mailto:mike.s.chartier@intel.com" target="_blank">mike.s.chartier@intel.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] DOCUMENT - Rec 11 - GAC Advice (first reading)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Good catch indeed. Precisely the point of our first reading exercise.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">So we will add this to recommendation 11 agenda item tomorrow.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I will note that the current annex includes a related recommendation :
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</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Insert a mention for all ACs: &#8220;The AC will make every effort to ensure that the advice provided is clear and supported by a rationale.&#8221;</span><span lang="FR" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Mathieu</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>De la part de</b> Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Envoy&nbsp;:</b> lundi 18 janvier 2016 05:30<br>
<b>&nbsp;:</b> Chartier, Mike S<br>
<b>Cc&nbsp;:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Objet&nbsp;:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] DOCUMENT - Rec 11 - GAC Advice (first reading)</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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 Boards). For Recommendation 11 several commenters offered the proposal to add a requirement for GAC advice to be accompanied by a rationale. Given the general acceptance of proposals for rationales in other areas, I would have thought it would have at least
 been given a note in the prep document.</span><span lang="FR" style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alice Jansen<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [CCWG-ACCT] DOCUMENT - Rec 11 - GAC Advice (first reading)</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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