<div dir="ltr">Chris is completely right. The UA doesn't make decisions - it acts only on the instructions of the SOs and ACs. It has to have one or two humans (or entities) as members to exist, but they won't have the decision rights.<div><br></div><div>I am sure that the lawyers can point to their memos that set this all out in depth. It was discussed in great detail in the middle of 2015, and resolved....</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>bests</div><div>Jordan</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 January 2016 at 09:25, Chris Disspain <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ceo@auda.org.au" target="_blank">ceo@auda.org.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><span style="font-family:'Verdana';font-size:13px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">Hello All,<div><br></div><div>I thought the basis of the model was that either each so/ac would appoint a person to be the legal persons or a small number of nominated individuals (2 was discussed I think) would provide the required legal personhood but would not be empowered to do anything without instruction from the so/acs. We now seem to be heading back to a requirement that so/acs for lead entities in some way which is challenging for some to say the least! </div><div><br></div><div>Could we please get clarity on where we are at with this?<br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><p style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(148,67,251);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Cheers,</p><p style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(148,67,251);min-height:16px;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:13px;line-height:normal;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(148,67,251);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Chris</p>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 28 Jan 2016, at 05:16 , Nigel Roberts <<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net" target="_blank">nigel@channelisles.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div>I don't mean to be pedantic about this, but are the SOs and ACs also going to be constituted as UAs???<br><br>Otherwise, I see an issue -- surely to form the EC as a UA, the members of the UA need to be persons (whether natural or legal matters not).<br><br>So it seems to me that all the SOs and ACs need to have legal personality.<br><br>Or will the members of the EC just be the Chairs of the SOs and ACs in a personal capacity??<br><br><br><br><br>On 27/01/16 18:11, Gregory, Holly wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">We agree that the language that ALAC points to (reproduced directly<br>below) could be clarified:<br><br>“ 3. On page 14, item 2 of the draft proposal (and on page 5 of Annex<br>1), it says "The members of the unincorporated association would be<br>representatives of ICANN's Supporting Organizations and Advisory<br>Committees that wish to participate." We have never discussed how<br>such members are identified. Presumably we should to specify that<br>each participating AC/SO must identify who it's representative will be.”<br><br>The notion is that some persons are needed to ensure that the decisions<br>of the Empowered Community are implemented. While the participating SOs<br>and ACs will be members of the unincorporated association, each<br>participating SO and AC should have a representative , and for<br>simplicity we recommend that in each instance it be the chair of the AC<br>or SO. We have addressed this notion in our memo about implementation<br>of the unincorporated association, which we circulated a link to last<br>week in our high level comments regarding the IRP.<br><br>HOLLY J. GREGORY<br>Partner and Co-Chair<br>Global Corporate Governance & Executive Compensation Practice<br><br>*Sidley Austin LLP**<br>*<a href="tel:%2B1%20212%20839%205853" value="+12128395853" target="_blank">+1 212 839 5853</a><br><a href="mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com" target="_blank">holly.gregory@sidley.com</a> <<a href="mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com" target="_blank">mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com</a>><br><br>*From:*<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>[<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] *On Behalf Of<br>*Seun Ojedeji<br>*Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:47 AM<br>*To:* Kavouss Arasteh<br>*Cc:* <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>*Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Open ALAC Issues<br><br>Well even if we don't need it now. It will be good to recognise that<br>it's yet to be discussed. However considering that the UA is required<br>once board approves the proposal then it may be good to determine and<br>conclude on this soon enough.<br><br>That said, it may be good to be sure that those member representatives<br>have no power to act unilaterally. I would have thought using 1 stone to<br>kill to birds will be good i.e making the various chairs/leaders of<br>SO/AC to serve is such capacity. That gives some level of responsibility<br>and security on that various SO/AC can always boot out their leader<br>whenever required.<br><br>Regards<br><br>On 27 Jan 2016 15:02, "Kavouss Arasteh" <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a><br><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br><br>Dear All,<br><br>I think people contuinue to go to the last milimiter of the road and<br>generate a new discussion and debate about the number of représentatives<br>in Unincorprated associattion représentatives and start a new round of<br>bebates and dispute<br><br>Do we need this information now pls ?<br><br>Kavouss<br><br>2016-01-27 6:14 GMT+01:00 Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a><br><<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>>:<br><br>As per my comment in the CCWG meeting earlier today, here is a list of<br>the issues still to be resolved from the ALAC statement on the 3rd Draft<br>Proposal.<br><br><br>There are three issues currently under discussion.<br><br>1. ICANN Mission and ensuring that contract provisions will not be<br>invalidated or be unenforceable.<br><br>2. The issue regarding market mechanisms.<br><br>3. Human Rights (original issue resolved but pending final wording).<br><br><br>Issues to be addressed.<br><br><br>1. The first is a relatively trivial one and easily addressed. Rec# 4,<br>in the section on replacing the Interim Board states:<br><br>"SOs, ACs, and the Nominating Committee will develop replacement<br>processes that ensure the Interim Board will not be in place for more<br>than 120 days."<br><br>The ALAC request that this be changed to:<br><br>"SOs, ACs, and the Nominating Committee will develop processes designed<br>to replace Interim Board members within 120 days."<br><br>By removing the word "ensure", this change, while not altering the<br>intent, goes along with the recent practice of not putting hard<br>deadlines in the Bylaws, deadlines that for one reason or another may<br>not be met in a particular instance.<br><br><br>2. Rec# 10, AoC. The Recommendation suggests that as part of<br>organizational reviews, the AC/SO's accountability be included in the<br>review. The ALAC suggests that this be enshrined in Article IV, Section<br>4.1 of the ICANN Bylaws.<br><br><br>3. On page 14, item 2 of the draft proposal (and on page 5 of Annex 1),<br>it says "The members of the unincorporated association would be<br>representatives of ICANN's Supporting Organizations and Advisory<br>Committees that wish to participate." We have never discussed how such<br>members are identified. 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