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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/02/2016 09:52, Drazek, Keith
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Agreed.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Concerns
around the “interlinkage” of 1, 10 and 11 were clearly
signaled within the CCWG prior to the finalization of
Version 3 and reinforced again in the GNSO comments. This is
not a new development.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
hope that the Arasteh/Burr combo will help us move this
forward to a resolution.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Keith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Schaefer, Brett<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 02, 2016 12:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Greg Shatan; Kavouss Arasteh<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Recommendation 11, 2/3
board threshold, GAC consensus, and finishing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Well
said.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 02, 2016 12:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kavouss Arasteh<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Recommendation 11, 2/3 board
threshold, GAC consensus, and finishing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I
don't think that's the intent or effect of Andrew's
email. I think he was just setting the stage and
working through an analysis to show his thinking, which
with I generally agree. One could quibble about whether
they are independent or complementary, but they are not
"mutually exclusive" as a matter of analysis. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">As
a bargaining position, it is valid to say that they are
mutually exclusive. It is equally valid to say that
they are a package. For that matter, it's also valid
bargaining position to say that the only acceptable
package is Becky's proposal and no increase in the
voting threshold. And it's valid to say that we want to
keep the voting threshold at simple majority and we
don't really care about Becky's proposal (so we'll take
it if it's there, but give it up if it holds the line at
simple majority). It's all fine and good to show our
opening positions -- but where do we go from there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">In
any event, this is an interlinked issue of 1, 10 and 11,
so one can't say that any of these are truly "closed"
until they are all closed. But that doesn't mean
everything is back on the table.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 12:06 PM,
Kavouss Arasteh <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Adrew<br>
You gave opened the Entire Recs 1 and 11 for discussion<br>
Good luck<br>
I do not think that was the issue given to the devoted
group.<br>
If every body to be intentionally and expressly confused
then the two above-mentioned RECs. to be opened entirely.<br>
Tks<br>
Kavouss<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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> On 2 Feb 2016, at 17:14, Andrew Sullivan <<a
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wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
>> On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 04:24:58PM +0100,
Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<br>
>> The issue was discussed and many participants
clearly mentioned that their main concerns was not to
empower GAC to participate in an IRP dealing with GAC
advice as objecting SO/AC but could agree to retain
2/3,<br>
><br>
> I am not exactly sure which "the issue" we're
talking about here,<br>
> because it seems to me there are multiple
interlocking issues:<br>
><br>
> (a) the threshold at which the Board will need
to<br>
> vote/agree/whatever if it is to decide not to
accept GAC consensus<br>
> advice;<br>
><br>
> (b) exactly how the board concludes that some
advice from the GAC<br>
> is in fact GAC consensus;<br>
><br>
> (c) whether the GAC gets to be part of the
decision-making at<br>
> ICANN or remains merely advisory;<br>
><br>
> (d) if GAC is part of the decision-making,
whether it gets to<br>
> participate in decisions affecting board
decisions about GAC<br>
> advice taken under item (b).<br>
><br>
> Here's what I think is going on:<br>
><br>
> On (a), we had previous proposals for the
existing threshold (50%+1)<br>
> and a higher threshold (2/3). Some have asserted
that the 2/3<br>
> threshold is the GAC's position at Dublin, but in
reviewing the<br>
> materials I cannot find the proof of that. The
2/3 level was put in<br>
> draft 3 subject conditions on (b). Some of the
comments on draft 3<br>
> have argued that without changes at least to (d),
the draft 3 proposal<br>
> is no good. Others seem to have argued that
anything above 50%+1 is<br>
> not allowed (I think this is a position that has
been attributed to<br>
> the GNSO lately). And finally, you propose to
split the difference<br>
> and set it at 60%, which with the current numbers
of the board<br>
> assuming all are present means just one
additional vote.<br>
><br>
> On (b), draft 3 set the mechanism at the
historical meaning of<br>
> consensus that the board could use in making its
determination.<br>
> Previously, that had appeared controversial, and
it was the adjustment<br>
> to language that, it seemed to me, cause the "US
Thanksgiving<br>
> compromise" to be reached. That compromise was
apparently not<br>
> durable, but nobody now seems to be arguing that
the board's criteria<br>
> for considering something "GAC consensus advice"
ought to be anything<br>
> than full consensus with no formal objection. I
hope we can leave<br>
> this alone, but I think Malcolm's line of
argument basically goes to<br>
> this item.<br>
><br>
> (c) is something that only the GAC can say, and
it's vexing (as Becky<br>
> pointed out) that we don't yet seem to have an
answer from the GAC. I<br>
> think at bottom it is this change to which Robin
regularly objects, at<br>
> least if I understand her arguments.<br>
><br>
> (d) is the issue that Becky's proposal is
designed to solve.<br>
> Basically, her proposal is that, if the GAC
decides to issue advice<br>
> that would trigger (a), then it's not allowed to
invoke its ability to<br>
> do (c) as well. This has nothing to do with the
threshold in (a).<br>
> Instead, it's a branching function: which path
does the GAC choose?<br>
> Since only the GAC has the ability to choose one
or the other, the<br>
> rules only apply to the GAC; but I think they
could in principle apply<br>
> to any body that had this ability.<br>
><br>
>> Based on that assumption I could agree to
take Beck's proposal as an alternative ,<br>
><br>
> As you see from the above, your proposal and
Becky's are not<br>
> alternatives, but are mutually independent lines
of argument.<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> A<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Andrew Sullivan<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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