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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>H</span>ello all,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability Dedicated Recommendation 11 Meeting – 4 February will be available here: <span style='color:#1F497D'> <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/OQOAAw">https://community.icann.org/x/OQOAAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>A copy of the notes may be found below.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you<span style='color:#1F497D'>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Brenda<o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><h3 style='mso-margin-top-alt:22.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><strong><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Notes</span></strong><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></h3><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>These high-level notes are designed to help you navigate through content of the call and do not substitute in any way the transcript.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>.Audio only: GShatan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>No updates on SOI<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>TRickert: this group has come a long way from nothing, generating consensus on a number of recommendations by a greatly diverse community. We now have to finish, we are close, possibly the last meter. What we deliver needs to be what the chartering organizations will approve. We need to close this by 2359UTC Monday February 8th. Any general remarks on rec 11.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>OCavalli: GAC currently working to find a way forward on rec 11. It would be very clear and stable version of the options so we can properly understand and analyze.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>RPerezGalindo (GAC Spain): thanksgiving deal was a good compromise and this seems to be breaking at this point. We need clear and stable version to properly understand and analyze.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>BBurr: appreciation how hard everyone has worked to get this done and special thanks to Kavouss.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>JBladel: Echo what BB has said. gNSO is very diverse and the reasons for not approving rec 11 in the third draft have been diverse. This new proposal is a very good step forward and I am encouraged and think we are on the right path.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>KArasteh: We need to work together and understand each other. As a member of the ICG I wish to see the transition succeed. I have put together a package with other colleagues such as Becky to let us complete our work. It may not be perfect but includes all inputs and points a way forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>BBurr: have been listening carefully to calls to try understand the needs. Interest by the GAC to participate. To address what the community was concerned about (second bite at the apple) - whenever the community uses a power to challenge the implementation of GAC advice by the Board would require the GAC to only participate in an advisory capacity.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>TRickert: any clarification questions?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Julia Wolman GAC Denmark: I would appreciate a clarification of the intended difference between this new version and the previous text we had on the screen previously - Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>BBurr - I accidentally narrowed the proposal - I have adjusted (its not just for using the IRP).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>KArasteh - Uncertain what JC implies when he says it is difficult to understand. Changes to rec. 1 does not change the right of the GAC to participate if it so wishes - however if the implementation of GAC advice by the Board is challenged by the community - the GAC can only participate in an advisory capacity.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>TRickert: Support or concerns?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>SDelBianco: As rapporteur I can confirm this meets the requirements of ST18. It should be the right path forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>JBladel: Registrars opposition to the proposal is fading with this new proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>BSchaefer: I can support the 60% with the other text.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>MHutty: this is a possible compromise. Important for people to say if they support. This is the best we are likely to get. If the GAC supports this, I would expect the ISPs to support (not a commitment).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>PRosenzweig: Supports MH view - nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. This satisfies no one, but I speak in favour of it with caveat that everyone has to accept it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>KArasteh: In response to Rafael, the third draft of rec. 11 was not agreed by everyone. We are not dealing with the third proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Chris Disspain: it seems to me that the problem is that the GAC folks don't want to go back with a proposal unless they know the gNSO will agree and the gNSO folks don't want to go back unless they know the GAC will agree.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>KArasteh: Given the GAC needs to understand the position of the gNSO vs this proposal. If the GAC understands the position of the gNSO then they could consider it seriously.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>PRosensweig: Both the GAC the gNSO have to agree to press this and try and sell it in their community.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>OCavalli: Difficult for any govt to participate in the straw poll.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>TRickert: Straw poll - green if you do not object. red otherwise.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>CDisspain: Could we change the question to - as a participant do you agree you can take it back to your community for agreement (TR confirmation of non-objection).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>KArasteh: prefer original TR proposal. Please emphasise we are dealing with the package as a whole. It cannot break it down.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Straw Poll</span></strong><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>- TRickert: Let use the Chris version. 31 support, 3 against, 8 abstain on a total of 63 participants.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Robin Gross CHAT[GNSO - NCSG]: I don't have audio, but I don't think it is appropriate for GAC to use this accountability process to get greater power at ICANN relative to the other groups.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>TRickert - We have a new reference position for consensus to discuss. We will publish to the list to continue discussion. We will maintain the Monday call, which could be short.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>CDisspain - Next step should be to wait to see if there are objections from the communities.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Decision</span></strong><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>- TRickert: Good point. We usually work by establishing if there is objection. We can end the call on this. We will try to confirm this is still our position on Monday. We will try to get this approved as our consensus position on our next CCWG call on Tuesday February 9th.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>LSanchez: thanks to all, we will be distributing the official version to the list shortly to continue the discussion. Any AOB? (none).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:11.45pt;background:white;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: 1;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Adjourned.<o:p></o:p></span></p><h3 style='mso-margin-top-alt:22.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></h3></div></body></html>