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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Kavouss, dear Becky<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks so much!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">From the responses I received, it seems that the carve-out applies generally whenever there is a Board decision to implement
GAC Advice, even when that Board decision is deemed by the IRP to be perfectly consistent with ICANN Bylaws.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hence, we should be clear that there is no relation between the carve-out and the consistency with the Bylaws, right?
Reasons for bringing such a challenge can be purely based on different interests, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It is just a rule that excludes the GAC from (a decisional role in) any community decision where a Board decision to implement
GAC Advice is at stake.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A further question: if such a Board decision is based both on a SO recommendation, an ALAC advice and a GAC Advice, the
only entity to be excluded from a community process would be the GAC, right? But the other SO and AC would participate on both tracks, correct?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As to the threshold question: it merely has to do with the Board recall, but does not affect any of the mentioned characteristics
of the carve-out, correct?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks very much for any further guidance<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Jorge
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Burr, Becky [mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 22. Februar 2016 14:00<br>
<b>An:</b> Cancio Jorge BAKOM <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>; kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> steve.crocker@icann.org; icann-board@icann.org; accountability-cross-community@icann.org<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The GAC made me do it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The carve out would apply but you would need 4 SO/AC s to recall the Board.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">"<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>" <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, February 22, 2016 at 6:44 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:steve.crocker@icann.org">steve.crocker@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:steve.crocker@icann.org">steve.crocker@icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:icann-board@icann.org">icann-board@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:icann-board@icann.org">icann-board@icann.org</a>>,
Accountability Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The GAC made me do it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear Kavouss</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks for the clarification.
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hence, do I understand correctly that the carve-out (exclusion of GAC as decisional participant) applies also if the Board decision to implement
GAC Advice has been found by the IRP to be perfectly consistent with the Bylaws?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks for your guidance</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Regards</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Jorge
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Kavouss Arasteh [<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 22. Februar 2016 12:41<br>
<b>An:</b> Cancio Jorge BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu">milton@gatech.edu</a>>; Steve Crocker <<a href="mailto:steve.crocker@icann.org">steve.crocker@icann.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>; Icann-board ICANN <<a href="mailto:icann-board@icann.org">icann-board@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The GAC made me do it</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Dear Jorge,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">You are right <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The carve out applies to all cases either in application of IRP or in the absence of IRP
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">For the first Board's agreed with reduced threshold from 4 to 3 for Board's Spill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">For the second the Board wishes that the 4 SO/AC threshold applies .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Some people in the community like me fully supportting the Board's views.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Some others are against<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">This is one of the issue that must be resolved tomorrow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Kavouss <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">2016-02-22 12:25 GMT+01:00 <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Dear all</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">From this email by Milton it seems that some (as Milton) are understanding that the carve-out only would apply if the Board decision to implement GAC Advice is found (by the IRP I guess) to be inconsistent with the
Bylaws.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">I have been away for one week, but I feel that the carve-out was meant to apply
<b>generally</b> to situations where there is Board implementation of GAC Advice...</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Could someone kindly clarify the status?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Best regards</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Jorge </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="color:black">-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>
Von: <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">
accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] Im Auftrag von Mueller, Milton L<br>
Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Februar 2016 23:34<br>
An: Steve Crocker <<a href="mailto:steve.crocker@icann.org" target="_blank">steve.crocker@icann.org</a>>; Accountability Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
Cc: Icann-board ICANN <<a href="mailto:icann-board@icann.org" target="_blank">icann-board@icann.org</a>><br>
Betreff: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The GAC made me do it</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black">I think Andrew got the issue exactly right. I do not see how your answer even engages with his argument, which is that nearly all of the community has agreed that when board actions are challenged for being out of mission by following
GAC advice, that the GAC should not be in a position to rule on that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black">Claiming that the GAC does not have "extraordinary power" does not answer Andrew's argument. Whether the GAC has extraordinary power or not, if it advises you (the board) to do something that the rest of the community thinks is
outside of the bounds of the bylaws (which it has a demonstrated tendency to do) the GAC should not be a decisional member of the empowered community that decides whether we get to challenge that action.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black">From that premise on, it is all arithmetic, as Andrew showed:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black">> > This is a choice entirely within the GAC's power. It must choose.
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<p><span style="color:black">> > If it chooses to be board-advisor-GAC, then it is in effect choosing
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<p><span style="color:black">> > that it prefers that mode of operation to being part of the wider
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<p><span style="color:black">> > Empowered Community mechanism. In effect, a GAC choice can reduce
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<p><span style="color:black">> > the possible actors in the Empowered Community to four. Otherwise,
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<p><span style="color:black">> > the GAC is in a position to insist on advice it gave being
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<p><span style="color:black">> > considered first by the board, and then that the GAC can also
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<p><span style="color:black">> > participate in the judgement of the Board's actions. That's the
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<p><span style="color:black">> > very "two bites" problem that we were trying to solve. I believe
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<p><span style="color:black">> > that in most organizations (including many governments), it would be
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<p><span style="color:black">> > regarded as surprising that a participant in the to-be-judged action also gets to be one of the judges.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">You have not refuted this, as I said before you have not even engaged with this.
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<p><span style="color:black">This increases my suspicion that the board's position is based on a political calculus, not on good governance or accountability criteria.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">Further, it is clear from the reaction you have gotten that the board is not proposing a "friendly amendment." In these rules of procedure, a friendly amendment has to be accepted by the group that proposed it, and clearly it is
not. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">I am deeply disturbed by the board upsetting a consensual compromise, and a very difficult one, for the third time in this process. I wonder if you have any appreciation of the potential costs of this, particularly when it involves
an issue as sensitive as the role of national governments in ICANN. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">Dr. Milton L. Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black">Professor, School of Public Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black">Georgia Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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