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    Thanks Mike, Brett and Greg - very useful.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/22/2016 11:32 PM, Greg Shatan
      wrote:<br>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">On D, to accurately
          reflect the current text, I believe the word "solely" should
          be removed.</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Agree with Brett, E
          should be THREE, not FOUR.  There's also an extra "the" before
          "Board" each time.</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Also agree that the
          issue framed by the Board is THREE vs. FOUR in C and E.</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 6:06 PM,
          Schaefer, Brett <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org" target="_blank">Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Agree,
            though point E should be 3, not 4, if it is to reflect the
            status quo.<br>
            <br>
            The Board is proposing changing 3 to 4 in points C and E, I
            believe.<br>
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              ________________________________<br>
              Brett Schaefer<br>
              Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International
              Regulatory Affairs<br>
              Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for
              National Security and Foreign Policy<br>
              The Heritage Foundation<br>
              214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE<br>
              Washington, DC 20002<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:202-608-6097"
                value="+12026086097">202-608-6097</a><br>
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            <br>
            __________<br>
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              On Feb 22, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Mueller, Milton L &lt;<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu">milton@gatech.edu</a></a>&lt;mailto:<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu">milton@gatech.edu</a></a>&gt;&gt;
              wrote:<br>
              <br>
              Very good summary, as far as I am concerned.<br>
              <br>
            </span>From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
            On Behalf Of Chartier, Mike S<br>
            <span class="">Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 5:15 PM<br>
            </span>To: Thomas Rickert &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net">thomas@rickert.net</a>&lt;mailto:<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net">thomas@rickert.net</a></a>&gt;&gt;;
            Schaefer, Brett &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org">Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org">Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org</a></a>&gt;&gt;;
            CCWG-Accountability &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a></a>&gt;&gt;<br>
            Cc: ACCT-STAFF &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org">acct-staff@icann.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org">acct-staff@icann.org</a></a>&gt;&gt;<br>
            <span class="">Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Updated Proposal
              Documents Available for Review<br>
              <br>
              The relevant language in the draft of the 19th seems
              awkward at best. It may also be useful to have a table of
              simple sentences something like below, to clearly capture
              what people are in support of (or not).<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              A.    The GAC MAY NOT participate as a decision-maker in
              community deliberations involving a challenge to the
              Board’s implementation of GAC consensus advice.<br>
              <br>
              B.    If an IRP has found that in implementing GAC advice
              the Board acted inconsistently with the ICANN Bylaws the
              threshold is set at THREE in support and no more than one
              objects to recall the entire the Board.<br>
              <br>
              C.   If an IRP is not available to challenge the Board
              action in question the threshold is set at THREE in
              support and no more than one objects to recall the entire
              the Board.<br>
              <br>
              D.   If an IRP has found that in implementing GAC advice
              the Board HAS NOT acted inconsistently with the ICANN
              Bylaws, the Empowered Community may NOT exercise its power
              to recall the entire the Board solely on the basis of the
              matter decided by the IRP.<br>
              <br>
              E.    If an IRP has found that in implementing GAC advice
              the Board HAS NOT acted inconsistently with the ICANN
              Bylaws, the Empowered Community MAY exercise its power to
              recall the entire the Board based on other grounds and the
              threshold is set at FOUR in support and no more than one
              objects.<br>
              <br>
            </span>From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
            On Behalf Of Thomas Rickert<br>
            <span class="">Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 4:18 PM<br>
            </span>To: Schaefer, Brett &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org">Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org">Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org</a></a>&gt;&gt;<br>
            Cc: ACCT-STAFF &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org">acct-staff@icann.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org">acct-staff@icann.org</a></a>&gt;&gt;;
            CCWG-Accountability &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a></a>&gt;&gt;<br>
            <span class="">Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Updated Proposal
              Documents Available for Review<br>
              <br>
              Brett,<br>
              we will have the text available and let me also remind you
              of my response to Larry.<br>
              <br>
              I said you do not have to join the Board to not be
              trusted. Becoming a CCWG co-chair is sufficient for that.<br>
              <br>
              Thought I should share this with you. Let's all try to
              keep smiling in these challenging days.<br>
              <br>
              Thomas<br>
              ---<br>
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              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rickert.net</a>&lt;<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://rickert.net"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://rickert.net">http://rickert.net</a></a>&gt;<br>
            <span class=""><br>
              <br>
              Am 22.02.2016 um 22:09 schrieb Schaefer, Brett &lt;<a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org">Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org</a></a>&lt;mailto:<a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org">Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org</a></a>&gt;&gt;:<br>
              If I could make a small request to the Chairs, I think it
              would be helpful to have the relevant text under
              discussion in the center Adobe window tonight so that
              everyone does not need to page through PDF is a separate
              window.<br>
              <br>
            </span>From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a
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              href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a></a>&gt;
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              href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
            On Behalf Of Jordan Carter<br>
            <span class="">Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 4:41 AM<br>
              To: Hillary Jett<br>
              Cc: ACCT-STAFF; CCWG-Accountability<br>
              Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Updated Proposal Documents
              Available for Review<br>
              <br>
              Thanks Hillary for this.<br>
              <br>
              All, in prep for our call on the 23rd, I thought I'd
              extract and post the exact wording from Annex 2 about the
              carve out thresholds that seems to be at the centre of the
              discussion. Here they are:<br>
              <br>
              Quote from Annex 2 - para 72 and bullet:<br>
              <br>
              - - -<br>
              The CCWG-Accountability also recommends that in a
              situation where the GAC may not participate as a
              Decisional Participant because the Community Power is
              proposed to be used to challenge the Board’s
              implementation of GAC consensus advice and the threshold
              is set at four in support, the power will still be validly
              exercised if three are in support and no more than one
              objects,with the following exception:<br>
              <br>
              Where the power to be exercised is recalling the entire
              Board for implementing GAC advice, the reduced threshold
              would apply only either (1) after an IRP has found that,
              in implementing GAC advice, the Board acted inconsistently
              with the ICANN Bylaws, or (2) if the IRP is not available
              to challenge the Board action in question. If the
              Empowered Community has brought such an IRP and does not
              prevail, the Empowered Community may not exercise its
              power to recall the entire the Board solely on the basis
              of the matter decided by the IRP. It may, however,
              exercise that power based on other grounds.<br>
              - - -<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              I read this as establishing a threshold of three SOs/ACs
              in support to use the Board recall power in only two
              situations:<br>
              <br>
              1) if IRP held that Board acted inconsistent with bylaws<br>
              2) if IRP is not available<br>
              <br>
              Otherwise the threshold would remain at four SOs/ACs in
              support.<br>
              <br>
              I cannot think of many circumstances where the IRP is not
              available, since almost any action of the Board could be
              tested against the bylaws through an IRP.<br>
              <br>
              If an IRP finds in favour of the Board, the threshold
              would remain at four SOs/ACs in support.  Yes, it breaches
              the principle of unanimity being never required, but it
              does so after a thorough investigation by an IRP process.
              (If there is no such investigation, i.e. no IRP available,
              then the lower threshold applies.)<br>
              <br>
              Seems fine to me.<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              Speak with you all in ~18hours...<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              Jordan<br>
              <br>
              <br>
            </span><span class="">On 22 February 2016 at 16:14, Hillary
              Jett &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:hillary.jett@icann.org">hillary.jett@icann.org</a>&lt;mailto:<a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:hillary.jett@icann.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hillary.jett@icann.org">hillary.jett@icann.org</a></a>&gt;&gt;
              wrote:<br>
              Hello all,<br>
              <br>
            </span>As requested by the co-Chairs, staff has made
            available the updated Core Proposal, Annexes and Appendices
            as they were prepared after comments received from the 17
            February posting in anticipation of a 19 February
            distribution of the proposal to the Chartering
            Organizations. They can be found on the wiki here (<a
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              href="https://community.icann.org/x/iw2AAw"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.icann.org/x/iw2AAw">https://community.icann.org/x/iw2AAw</a></a>&lt;<a
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            <span class=""><br>
              These documents are not final, however have been made
              available for preliminary review. Any discussions on the
              list from 19 February to now are not reflected.<br>
              <br>
              Thanks,<br>
              Hillary<br>
              <br>
              --<br>
              Hillary Jett<br>
              Communications Coordinator<br>
              Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
              (ICANN)<br>
              <br>
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              ________________________________<br>
              Brett Schaefer<br>
              Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International
              Regulatory Affairs<br>
              Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for
              National Security and Foreign Policy<br>
              The Heritage Foundation<br>
              214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE<br>
              Washington, DC 20002<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:202-608-6097"
                value="+12026086097">202-608-6097</a><br>
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