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Thanks Mike, Brett and Greg - very useful.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/22/2016 11:32 PM, Greg Shatan
wrote:<br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">On D, to accurately
reflect the current text, I believe the word "solely" should
be removed.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Agree with Brett, E
should be THREE, not FOUR. There's also an extra "the" before
"Board" each time.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Also agree that the
issue framed by the Board is THREE vs. FOUR in C and E.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 6:06 PM,
Schaefer, Brett <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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wrote:<br>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Agree,
though point E should be 3, not 4, if it is to reflect the
status quo.<br>
<br>
The Board is proposing changing 3 to 4 in points C and E, I
believe.<br>
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wrote:<br>
<br>
Very good summary, as far as I am concerned.<br>
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<span class="">Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Updated Proposal
Documents Available for Review<br>
<br>
The relevant language in the draft of the 19th seems
awkward at best. It may also be useful to have a table of
simple sentences something like below, to clearly capture
what people are in support of (or not).<br>
<br>
<br>
A. The GAC MAY NOT participate as a decision-maker in
community deliberations involving a challenge to the
Board’s implementation of GAC consensus advice.<br>
<br>
B. If an IRP has found that in implementing GAC advice
the Board acted inconsistently with the ICANN Bylaws the
threshold is set at THREE in support and no more than one
objects to recall the entire the Board.<br>
<br>
C. If an IRP is not available to challenge the Board
action in question the threshold is set at THREE in
support and no more than one objects to recall the entire
the Board.<br>
<br>
D. If an IRP has found that in implementing GAC advice
the Board HAS NOT acted inconsistently with the ICANN
Bylaws, the Empowered Community may NOT exercise its power
to recall the entire the Board solely on the basis of the
matter decided by the IRP.<br>
<br>
E. If an IRP has found that in implementing GAC advice
the Board HAS NOT acted inconsistently with the ICANN
Bylaws, the Empowered Community MAY exercise its power to
recall the entire the Board based on other grounds and the
threshold is set at FOUR in support and no more than one
objects.<br>
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<span class="">Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Updated Proposal
Documents Available for Review<br>
<br>
Brett,<br>
we will have the text available and let me also remind you
of my response to Larry.<br>
<br>
I said you do not have to join the Board to not be
trusted. Becoming a CCWG co-chair is sufficient for that.<br>
<br>
Thought I should share this with you. Let's all try to
keep smiling in these challenging days.<br>
<br>
Thomas<br>
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Am 22.02.2016 um 22:09 schrieb Schaefer, Brett <<a
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If I could make a small request to the Chairs, I think it
would be helpful to have the relevant text under
discussion in the center Adobe window tonight so that
everyone does not need to page through PDF is a separate
window.<br>
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On Behalf Of Jordan Carter<br>
<span class="">Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 4:41 AM<br>
To: Hillary Jett<br>
Cc: ACCT-STAFF; CCWG-Accountability<br>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Updated Proposal Documents
Available for Review<br>
<br>
Thanks Hillary for this.<br>
<br>
All, in prep for our call on the 23rd, I thought I'd
extract and post the exact wording from Annex 2 about the
carve out thresholds that seems to be at the centre of the
discussion. Here they are:<br>
<br>
Quote from Annex 2 - para 72 and bullet:<br>
<br>
- - -<br>
The CCWG-Accountability also recommends that in a
situation where the GAC may not participate as a
Decisional Participant because the Community Power is
proposed to be used to challenge the Board’s
implementation of GAC consensus advice and the threshold
is set at four in support, the power will still be validly
exercised if three are in support and no more than one
objects,with the following exception:<br>
<br>
Where the power to be exercised is recalling the entire
Board for implementing GAC advice, the reduced threshold
would apply only either (1) after an IRP has found that,
in implementing GAC advice, the Board acted inconsistently
with the ICANN Bylaws, or (2) if the IRP is not available
to challenge the Board action in question. If the
Empowered Community has brought such an IRP and does not
prevail, the Empowered Community may not exercise its
power to recall the entire the Board solely on the basis
of the matter decided by the IRP. It may, however,
exercise that power based on other grounds.<br>
- - -<br>
<br>
<br>
I read this as establishing a threshold of three SOs/ACs
in support to use the Board recall power in only two
situations:<br>
<br>
1) if IRP held that Board acted inconsistent with bylaws<br>
2) if IRP is not available<br>
<br>
Otherwise the threshold would remain at four SOs/ACs in
support.<br>
<br>
I cannot think of many circumstances where the IRP is not
available, since almost any action of the Board could be
tested against the bylaws through an IRP.<br>
<br>
If an IRP finds in favour of the Board, the threshold
would remain at four SOs/ACs in support. Yes, it breaches
the principle of unanimity being never required, but it
does so after a thorough investigation by an IRP process.
(If there is no such investigation, i.e. no IRP available,
then the lower threshold applies.)<br>
<br>
Seems fine to me.<br>
<br>
<br>
Speak with you all in ~18hours...<br>
<br>
<br>
Jordan<br>
<br>
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</span><span class="">On 22 February 2016 at 16:14, Hillary
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wrote:<br>
Hello all,<br>
<br>
</span>As requested by the co-Chairs, staff has made
available the updated Core Proposal, Annexes and Appendices
as they were prepared after comments received from the 17
February posting in anticipation of a 19 February
distribution of the proposal to the Chartering
Organizations. They can be found on the wiki here (<a
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These documents are not final, however have been made
available for preliminary review. Any discussions on the
list from 19 February to now are not reflected.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Hillary<br>
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