<p dir="ltr">Actually Greg, if you count NCSG, IPC, RySG, et all then you may want to split ALAC into 5, i.e AFRALO, APRALO, EURALO et all.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Ofcourse that was "pun" intended ;-)</p>
<p dir="ltr">However really if you want to do the analysis, just go by chartering organisations. Either way, the outcome speaks for itself and hopefully we can just accept and move on. Let's not see this as a win:loss situation as it's all about reflecting the views of the community.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Cheers!</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 Feb 2016 7:02 p.m., "Greg Shatan" <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">All:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Here's my CORRECTED AND REVISED data and analysis (with a tip o' the hat to Tatiana Tropina for pointing that my data for Poll #4 got mangled). The CORRECTED AND REVISED summary is as follows:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:12.8px"><b>REMOVING THE LANGUAGE (“If the IRP is not available to challenge the Board action in question”)</b></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Poll #3 – Who supports removing the language in the 2nd bullet in Paragraph 72 (in red on the slide), (“If the IRP is not available to challenge the Board action in question”)?<br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><b><font color="#ff0000">10</font></b> (GAC, ccNSO, ALAC, NCSG, RySG, RrSG, BC, IPC, Board, Staff)</font></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Poll #1 – Who objects to removing the 2nd bullet in Paragraph 72 (in red on the slide), (“If the IRP is not available to challenge the Board action in question”)?</font><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><b><font color="#ff0000">3</font></b> (ccNSO, NCSG, ISPCP)</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><b>SENDING THE REPORT "AS IS"</b></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Poll #4 – Who supports sending the report to Chartering Organizations as it is currently, (i.e. the 19 February version with the full text in Paragraph 72)?<br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><font color="#ff0000"><b>3</b></font> in support (ccNSO, NCSG, ISPCP)</font></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Poll #2 – Who objects to sending the report forward (to Chartering Organizations) as it is currently, (i.e. the 19 February version with the full text in Paragraph 72)?<br></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><b><font color="#ff0000">6</font></b> (GAC, ccNSO, ALAC, RySG, Board, Staff)</font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Greg</font></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Salaets, Ken <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ksalaets@itic.org" target="_blank">ksalaets@itic.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Drazek, Keith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a></span></p><div><div><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Poll results<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Gannon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Matthew Shears<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Poll results<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 8:57 AMthis one in support, <br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:el@lisse.NA" target="_blank">el@lisse.NA</a>" <<a href="mailto:el@lisse.NA" target="_blank">el@lisse.NA</a>>, "<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net" target="_blank">nigel@channelisles.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net" target="_blank">nigel@channelisles.net</a>>, "<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>"
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Poll results<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As I mentioned in the call last night, before any final announcement is made, I would hope that we could get explicit clarification and commitment from the Board that, if the
GAC cannot decide or chooses not to become a decisional participant, that the Board would support lowering the thresholds for exercising all EC powers to avoid the requirement for SOAC unanimous support to exercise those powers.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I am concerned that the Board’s position on the GAC carve-out reference Board recall, could/would be equally applied to the above situation. I believe now, before a final decision
is made, is the time to clarify that matter. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thank you,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs<br>
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<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Eberhard W Lisse<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net" target="_blank">nigel@channelisles.net</a>; <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Without even bothering to register as Participant.<br>
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el<br>
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On 2016-02-23 15:36, Nigel Roberts wrote:<br>
> I'm also puzzled as to how Board Members, and the CEO, can simply pitch<br>
> up and pitch in, late in the game.<br>
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> On 23/02/16 13:27, Edward Morris wrote:<br>
>> Disagree.<br>
>> There are formal requirements for participating in the CCWG.<br>
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> There are indeed<br>
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>> It's a minimal requirement, but a necessary one<br>
> The fact that the requirement is minimal is no excuse for dispensing<br>
> with it extrajudicially. In fact, it's no excuse at all, since if it is<br>
> minimal, anyone who wanted to be Participant has a very low hurdle.<br>
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> No gerrymandering, please.<br>
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