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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/29/2016 9:28 PM, Steve DelBianco
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<div>Agree with Keith’s clarification of intent. That’s what
I assumed we meant in sending this letter.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a
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href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a></a>>
on behalf of Becky Burr <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, February
29, 2016 at 3:13 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Keith Drazek <<a
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Jordan Carter <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a
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href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a></a>"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[CCWG-ACCT] Request for Clarification on Threshold Issue<br>
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<div>Agree, in order to respect the non-unanimity
principle, the thresholds must be revised if and when
one of the 5 SO/ACs decides not to participate. This is
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><Drazek>,
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday,
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<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Jordan Carter
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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73, 125);">The intent (from my perspective) is
to clarify expectations and ensure the CCWG and
the Board are aligned on what happens to the
thresholds *<b>if</b>* an SO or AC chooses
non-participation and the number drops from 5 to
4. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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threshold and the ambiguity of the word “may.”]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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with our long-standing expectation of a
non-unanimity principle, then I’ll be
comfortable the issue is addressed.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">I don’t see this requiring a
reopening of our report if we can otherwise
confirm a common understanding and ensure the
bylaw drafters have instructions consistent with
that view.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Separately, the GAC can further
clarify its intent during or after Marrakech,
but at least we’ll have common understanding on
the structural impact of that decision. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Keith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,
sans-serif;"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jordan Carter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 29, 2016 3:04 PM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Request for
Clarification on Threshold Issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">In three versions of the
proposal from this group the GAC has been a
decisional participant. I firmly agree with
what Thomas said, that is what our proposal
says and that is how it has to remain.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">We haven't demanded any
SO/AC has to say they are in. We have just
said that we take them out if they insist.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Anything else would be an
utter travesty at this point and undermine our
process.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On the point raised by the
letter that started this thread, I only
re-state my view that IF the list of
decisional participants changed, THEN the
thresholds would have to change, BECAUSE we
cannot have a situation where formal total
unanimity is required to exercise community
powers.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jordan<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 1 March 2016 at 07:27,
Robin Gross <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org"
target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Unless the GAC can reach
a consensus and decide to be “in" the EC, it
would have to be considered “out” of the
EC. If GAC can’t decide to accept this new
role and its responsibility, we have no
place on insisting that it does accept this
change in its role and responsibility. We
can’t leave loose ends like this in our
report without expecting disastrous results
- we must have certainty about what we are
proposing.<span class="hoenzb"><span
style="color:#888888"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hoenzb"><span
style="color:#888888">Robin</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 29,
2016, at 10:07 AM, Phil Corwin
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">+1.
The GAC needs to decide
whether they want to be
in or out of the EC, and
the decision time is
now.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">If
the GAC can’t reach a
consensus on something
that basic then trying
to use the
accountability measures
with them in the EC will
be like trying to drive
a car with the parking
brake engaged.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif;
color: navy;">Philip
S. Corwin, Founding
Principal</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif;
color: navy;">Virtualaw
LLC</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif;
color: navy;">1155 F
Street, NW</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif;
color: navy;">Suite
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</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif;
color: navy;">Washington,
DC 20004</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif;
color: navy;">202-559-8597/Direct</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif;
color: navy;">202-559-8750/Fax</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif;
color: navy;">202-255-6172/cell</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif;
color: navy;"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif;
color: navy;">Twitter:
@VlawDC</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
Tahoma,
sans-serif; color:
navy;">"Luck is
the residue of
design" -- Branch
Rickey</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="border:none;border-top:solid
#B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in
0in 0in">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
Tahoma,
sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
Tahoma, sans-serif;"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a></span></a> [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a></span></a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Mueller,
Milton L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday,
February 29, 2016
10:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Martin
Boyle; Kavouss
Arasteh; Bruce
Tonkin<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a></span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[CCWG-ACCT] Request
for Clarification on
Threshold Issue</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">This
discussion is an example
of the absurdity of
making participation in
the empowered community
(EC) optional. You were
all warned about this
months ago. The
boundaries of the EC
need to be fixed and
completely unambiguous.
You must be either in or
out. There should be no
“oh, today I think I am
part of it but tomorrow
I may not be.” It should
not be determined on a
case-by-case basis.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">My
understanding is that
all 3 SOs are part of
the empowered community,
as is ALAC. My
understanding is that
GAC has not decided
whether it is in or out.
But once it does decide,
it should be in or out,
full stop, for all cases
except the narrow carve
out related to GAC
advice.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">If
the individual entities
who are in the EC (ACs
and SOs) do not support
a vote to spill the
board, reject an IANA
review decision, etc.
they are voting against
it, full stop. They are
not “unable to cast a
vote.” So a lower
threshold never means
that there is a chance
that one SO or AC can
make the decision. The
threshold only changes
based on whether GAC is
in or out.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">--MM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div
style="border:none;border-left:solid
blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in
0in 4.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a></span></a> [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:purple"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a></span></a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Martin
Boyle<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday,
February 28, 2016 3:09
PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" lang="EN-GB">Kavouss
makes a good point:
if views are so
divided in the SO/ACs
that many are not able
to cast a vote, there
is an indication that
something is wrong.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;
color: rgb(31, 73,
125);" lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div
style="border:none;border-top:solid
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank"><span
style="font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;
color: purple;"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a></span></a><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"> [</span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank"><span
style="font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;
color: purple;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a></span></a><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;">] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Kavouss
Arasteh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 28
February 2016
17:32<br>
<b>To:</b> Bruce
Tonkin <</span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au"
target="_blank"><span
style="font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;
color: purple;"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a></span></a><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"
target="_blank"><span
style="font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;
color: purple;"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a></span></a><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[CCWG-ACCT]
Request for
Clarification on
Threshold Issue</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB">Bruce</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB">Accruing
to some established
rule ,out if seven
SO/AC, the minimum
would be simple
majority ( 4) bellow
that the process
does have no longer
any legal validity</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB">Ksvouss <br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
lang="EN-GB"><br>
On 28 Feb 2016, at
00:02, Bruce Tonkin
<</span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank"><span
style="color:purple"
lang="EN-GB"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a></span></a><span
lang="EN-GB">>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
lang="EN-GB">Hello
Keith,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
lang="EN-GB">I
assume there also
needs to be some
lower limit of
participants that
applies to the
concept of “</span><i><span
style="font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;">preventing
the need for
unanimous
support”.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
lang="EN-GB">Taking
an extreme case,
what if only one
SO or AC “chooses”
to be part of the
decisional
process? Every
decision taken
would be unanimous
by default. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
lang="EN-GB">How
many participants
of the 7 SOs and
ACs makes a viable
Empowered
Community? Should
it be 2, 3, or
4. I hope we get
at least 4 out of
7 for it to
genuinely
represent a
significant
portion of the
community.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif;"
lang="EN-GB">So
rather than “If
fewer than 5”, it
could be “If at
least 4”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Keith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday,
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2016 7:04 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [CCWG-ACCT]
Request for
Clarification
on Threshold
Issue</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi
Thomas, Mathieu
and Leon. I’m
submitting the
following on
behalf of the
undersigned
members/participants
from the GNSO:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
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sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dear
CCWG-Accountability
Chairs,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
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sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">We
are very concerned
with the response
of the Board to
the request for
clarification
regarding the need
to adjust the
thresholds for the
Empowered
Community to
exercise its
powers if the
number of
decisional
participants is
less than 5 SOACs.
Currently the text
in Annex 1 and 2
regarding this
possibility is
ambiguous:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="text-indent:2.25pt"><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">“The
thresholds
presented in this
document were
determined based
on this
assessment. If
fewer than five of
ICANN’s SOs and
ACs agree to be
decisional
Participants,
these thresholds
for consensus
support may be
adjusted.
Thresholds may
also have to be
adjusted if ICANN
changes to have
more SOs or ACs.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
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sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">In
our view, there is
no question that
the thresholds <i>must</i> be
adjusted if there
are fewer than
five decisional
participants. We
have acknowledged
repeatedly and
operated under the
assumption that
there should not
be a requirement
of unanimous
support for the
Empowered
Community to
exercise its
powers. Yet, if
there are less
than five
decisional
participants,
unless the
thresholds are
adjusted it would
require unanimous
support for the
Empowered
Community to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
style="font-size:
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sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Reject
a proposed
Operating
Plan/Strategic
Plan/Budget;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style=""
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style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
style="font-size:
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sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Recall
the entire Board
of Directors; and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style=""
lang="EN-GB">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
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sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Reject
an ICANN Board
decision relating
to reviews of IANA
functions,
including the
triggering of any
PTI separation
process.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
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sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">These
powers are central
to ensuring that
ICANN remains
accountable to the
Empowered
Community. This
matter is too
critical to the
primary purpose of
the
CCWG-Accountability
proposal to remain
unclear. As the
Board has noted in
its own formal
comments, “Leaving
this issue for
future
consideration
raises the
potential for
renegotiation of
the community
thresholds. This
potential for
renegotiation adds
a level of
instability and a
lack of
predictability.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
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sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Although
it has a
superficial
resemblance to the
recent debate over
thresholds in the
GAC carve-out, we
believe it is
fundamentally
different. There
is a great
distinction
between an SO or
AC <b><i>choosing</i></b> to
not participate,
and an SO or AC
being <b><i>blocked</i></b> from
participation in a
specific instance,
as was the case in
the case of the
GAC carve-out. We
were willing to
accept a unanimous
threshold for
Board recall in
the unique
circumstances of
the GAC carve-out,
where the GAC was
blocked from
participation, but
we believe firmly
that if any SO or
AC <b><i>elects</i></b>,
whether through a
conscious decision
or an inability to
decide, to not
participate, then
the non-unanimity
principle must be
upheld.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
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sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">However,
as we saw with the
debate over the
thresholds in the
GAC carve-out,
this could be a
contentious issue.
It is far better
to resolve this
matter now (and
during the
drafting of
bylaws), prior to
the official
transfer of the
proposal to NTIA,
than to delay it
when it could have
significant
negative
ramifications on
the transition
through a failure
to resolve it
during the
implementation
phase.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
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sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">Therefore,
we respectfully
request that the
current text in
Annex 1 and Annex
2 be edited to
replace “may” with
“shall” and add an
additional
explanatory
clause:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">“The
thresholds
presented in this
document were
determined based
on this
assessment. If
fewer than five of
ICANN’s SOs and
ACs agree to be
decisional
Participants,
these thresholds
for consensus
support </span><b><i><span
style="font-size:
11pt;
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sans-serif;
color: red;">shall</span></i></b><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
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sans-serif; color:
red;"> </span><span
style="font-size:
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sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">be
adjusted </span><b><i><span
style="font-size:
11pt;
font-family:
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sans-serif;
color: red;">to
prevent the
need for
unanimous
support among
the decisional
Participants
to exercise
any of the
seven
Community
powers</span></i></b><span
style="font-size:
11pt; font-family:
Calibri,
sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);">.
Thresholds may
also have to be
adjusted if ICANN
changes to have
more SOs or ACs.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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