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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Apologies, the position laid out in your e-mail.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Jordan Carter [mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 29, 2016 4:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Schaefer, Brett<br>
<b>Cc:</b> accountability-cross-community@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Request for Clarification on Threshold Issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">hi Brett<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's not my position, so please don't characterise it as such. It is the position of the CCWG as expressed in all three versions of our report. The difficulties of decision-making you refer to have been understood and taken into account
throughout our work. The thresholds for decisions were established with that reality firmly in mind.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jordan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1 March 2016 at 10:39, Schaefer, Brett <<a href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org" target="_blank">Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jordan,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It seems to me that your position is forcing the GAC to participate even though it has not decided
to do so. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In essence, it creates a default of participation and creates a burden on those governments not inclined
to get GAC consensus on non-participation. Why is this less discriminatory to GAC autonomy than requiring them to reach a decision to participate?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In addition, as a practical matter for EC decision making, considering the GAC’s difficulty in reaching
decisions, in many (most?) instances one of the 5 participants would be abstaining or not taking a position.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">
accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jordan Carter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 29, 2016 3:04 PM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">
accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Request for Clarification on Threshold Issue</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi all<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In three versions of the proposal from this group the GAC has been a decisional participant. I firmly agree with what Thomas said, that is what our proposal says and that is how
it has to remain.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We haven't demanded any SO/AC has to say they are in. We have just said that we take them out if they insist.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Anything else would be an utter travesty at this point and undermine our process.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On the point raised by the letter that started this thread, I only re-state my view that IF the list of decisional participants changed, THEN the thresholds would have to change,
BECAUSE we cannot have a situation where formal total unanimity is required to exercise community powers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Jordan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 1 March 2016 at 07:27, Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Unless the GAC can reach a consensus and decide to be “in" the EC, it would have to be considered “out” of the EC. If GAC can’t decide to accept this new role and its responsibility,
we have no place on insisting that it does accept this change in its role and responsibility. We can’t leave loose ends like this in our report without expecting disastrous results - we must have certainty about what we are proposing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Feb 29, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Behalf Of </b>Mueller, Milton L</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 29, 2016 10:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Martin Boyle; Kavouss Arasteh; Bruce Tonkin<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Request for Clarification on Threshold Issue<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This discussion is an example of the absurdity of making participation in the empowered community
(EC) optional. You were all warned about this months ago. The boundaries of the EC need to be fixed and completely unambiguous. You must be either in or out. There should be no “oh, today I think I am part of it but tomorrow I may not be.” It should not be
determined on a case-by-case basis.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My understanding is that all 3 SOs are part of the empowered community, as is ALAC. My understanding
is that GAC has not decided whether it is in or out. But once it does decide, it should be in or out, full stop, for all cases except the narrow carve out related to GAC advice.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If the individual entities who are in the EC (ACs and SOs) do not support a vote to spill the board,
reject an IANA review decision, etc. they are voting against it, full stop. They are not “unable to cast a vote.” So a lower threshold never means that there is a chance that one SO or AC can make the decision. The threshold only changes based on whether GAC
is in or out.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Behalf Of </b>Martin Boyle<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 28, 2016 3:09 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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able to cast a vote, there is an indication that something is wrong.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Behalf Of </b>Kavouss Arasteh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 28 February 2016 17:32<br>
<b>To:</b> Bruce Tonkin <</span><a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Request for Clarification on Threshold Issue</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">Accruing to some established rule ,out if seven SO/AC, the minimum would be simple majority ( 4) bellow that the process does have no longer any legal validity</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Sent from my iPhone</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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On 28 Feb 2016, at 00:02, Bruce Tonkin <</span><a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:purple">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</span></a><span lang="EN-GB">> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hello Keith,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I assume there also needs to be some lower limit of participants that applies to the concept of “</span><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">preventing
the need for unanimous support”.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Taking an extreme case, what if only one SO or AC “chooses” to be part of the decisional process?
Every decision taken would be unanimous by default. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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or 4. I hope we get at least 4 out of 7 for it to genuinely represent a significant portion of the community.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">So rather than “If fewer than 5”, it could be “If at least 4”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Behalf Of </b>Drazek, Keith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 28 February 2016 7:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CCWG-ACCT] Request for Clarification on Threshold Issue</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We are very concerned with the response of the Board to the request for clarification regarding the
need to adjust the thresholds for the Empowered Community to exercise its powers if the number of decisional participants is less than 5 SOACs. Currently the text in Annex 1 and 2 regarding this possibility is ambiguous:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“The thresholds presented in this document were determined based on this assessment. If fewer than five of ICANN’s SOs and ACs agree to be decisional Participants, these thresholds
for consensus support may be adjusted. Thresholds may also have to be adjusted if ICANN changes to have more SOs or ACs.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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than five decisional participants. We have acknowledged repeatedly and operated under the assumption that there should not be a requirement of unanimous support for the Empowered Community to exercise its powers. Yet, if there are less than five decisional
participants, unless the thresholds are adjusted it would require unanimous support for the Empowered Community to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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a proposed Operating Plan/Strategic Plan/Budget;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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the entire Board of Directors; and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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an ICANN Board decision relating to reviews of IANA functions, including the triggering of any PTI separation process.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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matter is too critical to the primary purpose of the CCWG-Accountability proposal to remain unclear. As the Board has noted in its own formal comments, “Leaving this issue for future consideration raises the potential for renegotiation of the community thresholds.
This potential for renegotiation adds a level of instability and a lack of predictability.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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we believe it is fundamentally different. There is a great distinction between an SO or AC <b><i>choosing</i></b> to not participate, and an SO or AC being <b><i>blocked</i></b> from participation in a specific instance, as was the case in the case of the
GAC carve-out. We were willing to accept a unanimous threshold for Board recall in the unique circumstances of the GAC carve-out, where the GAC was blocked from participation, but we believe firmly that if any SO or AC <b><i>elects</i></b>, whether through
a conscious decision or an inability to decide, to not participate, then the non-unanimity principle must be upheld.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">However, as we saw with the debate over the thresholds in the GAC carve-out, this could be a contentious
issue. It is far better to resolve this matter now (and during the drafting of bylaws), prior to the official transfer of the proposal to NTIA, than to delay it when it could have significant negative ramifications on the transition through a failure to resolve
it during the implementation phase.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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five of ICANN’s SOs and ACs agree to be decisional Participants, these thresholds for consensus support </span><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red">shall</span></i></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">be
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