<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>Oncde again </div><div>1. we need to make direct and explicit refrence to the need the FOI to be approved, among others, by chartering organization</div><div>2. I am against the use of the twin words" unless and until"</div><div>one is sufficient ,usually the term "until "is used in all legal terms that I have seen since 1971.</div><div>3. I am against the use of the term " governmental authority " in the ICANN core values/mission </div><div>4. I am against to give a blanket agreement for the text which yet to be drafted</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-05-02 10:48 GMT+02:00 Niels ten Oever <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net" target="_blank">lists@nielstenoever.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Kavouss,<br>
<br>
Am not arguiung with you about that point. I think what Greg, me and<br>
several others have argued is that bylaw text is consistent (except for<br>
'or unless'). Could you please elaborate why you think it is not?<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Niels<br>
<span><br>
On 05/02/2016 10:46 AM, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<br>
> Dear All,<br>
> The drafted bylaws MUST be consistent word by word to the text of the<br>
> Supplemental CCWG Proposal .Example text on Human Rights<br>
> Regards<br>
> Kavouss<br>
><br>
> 2016-05-02 10:11 GMT+02:00 Niels ten Oever <<a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net">lists@nielstenoever.net</a><br>
</span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net">lists@nielstenoever.net</a>>>:<br>
<span>><br>
> Dear Tijani and Kavouss,<br>
><br>
> Could you please indicate where the proposed text is not consistent with<br>
> the report? Concrete references would be helpful for me to better<br>
> understand your point.<br>
><br>
> Thanks in advance,<br>
><br>
> Niels<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 05/02/2016 09:38 AM, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<br>
> > Tijani +1<br>
> > I fully agree with Tijani<br>
> > People misuse the opportunity to make modifications that were not agreed<br>
> > during the lkast 16 months<br>
> > NO CHANGE NO MODIFICATIONS.<br>
> > During the WSIS I WILL tell everybody that there is no supervision nor<br>
> > control on what we have agreed and the people will make whatever change<br>
> > they wish without the agreements of the others<br>
> ><br>
> > KAVOUSS<br>
> ><br>
> > 2016-05-02 8:14 GMT+02:00 Tijani BEN JEMAA <<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn">tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn">tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn</a>><br>
</span>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn">tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn</a><br>
<span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn">tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn</a>>>>:<br>
> ><br>
> > Mathieu and all,<br>
> ><br>
> > The modification proposed doesn’t reflect the CCWG last proposal<br>
> > approved by the chartering organization. I don’t think we are<br>
> > allowed to write bylaws that are not the exact interpretation of the<br>
> > approved document that had the CCWG consensus and the charting<br>
> > organizations ratification.<br>
> ><br>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> > *Tijani BEN JEMAA*<br>
> > Executive Director<br>
> > Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*)<br>
> > Phone: +216 98 330 114<br>
> > +216 52 385 114<br>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> Le 2 mai 2016 à 04:23, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br>
</span>> >> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a><br>
<span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>>> a écrit :<br>
> >><br>
> >> Mathieu,<br>
> >> Tks<br>
> >> Pls NOTE MY SERIOUS OBJECTIONS to:<br>
> >> 1.NOT MENTIONING REFERNCE TO THE APPROVAL OF CHARTERING<br>
> >> ORGANIZATIONBS in HR<br>
> >> 2. GIVE GIVE A BLANKET AGREEMENT TO THE DOCUMENTS WHICH YET TO BE<br>
> >> DRAFTED.<br>
> >> 3. Making so many changes to the Third proposals . We must avoid<br>
> >> having a new proposal<br>
> >> Kavouss<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> 2016-05-01 22:42 GMT+02:00 Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>><br>
</span>> >> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>>>>:<br>
<span>> >><br>
> >> Dear colleagues,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Please find below for your consideration some suggestions from<br>
> >> our lawyers for clarification of the bylaw language regarding<br>
> >> the Human rights FoI. This follows our request during the<br>
> >> previous call.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Best,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Mathieu Weill<br>
> >> ---------------<br>
> >> Depuis mon mobile, désolé pour le style<br>
> >><br>
> >> Début du message transféré :<br>
> >><br>
> >>> *Expéditeur:* "Gregory, Holly" <<a href="mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com">holly.gregory@sidley.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com">holly.gregory@sidley.com</a>><br>
</span>> >>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com">holly.gregory@sidley.com</a><br>
<span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com">holly.gregory@sidley.com</a>>>><br>
> >>> *Date:* 1 mai 2016 19:10:53 UTC+2<br>
> >>> *Destinataire:* "'Mathieu Weill'"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>><br>
</span>> >>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a><br>
<span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>>>>, "'Thomas Rickert'"<br>
> >>> <<a href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net">thomas@rickert.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net">thomas@rickert.net</a>><br>
</span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net">thomas@rickert.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net">thomas@rickert.net</a>>>>, León Felipe<br>
<span>> >>> Sánchez Ambía <<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>><br>
</span>> >>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a><br>
<span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>>>>, "<a href="mailto:bylaws-coord@icann.org">bylaws-coord@icann.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bylaws-coord@icann.org">bylaws-coord@icann.org</a>><br>
</span>> >>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bylaws-coord@icann.org">bylaws-coord@icann.org</a><br>
<span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bylaws-coord@icann.org">bylaws-coord@icann.org</a>>>" <<a href="mailto:bylaws-coord@icann.org">bylaws-coord@icann.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bylaws-coord@icann.org">bylaws-coord@icann.org</a>><br>
</span>> >>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bylaws-coord@icann.org">bylaws-coord@icann.org</a><br>
<span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bylaws-coord@icann.org">bylaws-coord@icann.org</a>>>><br>
> >>> *Cc:* ACCT-Staff <<a href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org">acct-staff@icann.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org">acct-staff@icann.org</a>><br>
</span>> >>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org">acct-staff@icann.org</a><br>
<span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org">acct-staff@icann.org</a>>>>, "Rosemary E. Fei"<br>
> >>> <<a href="mailto:rfei@adlercolvin.com">rfei@adlercolvin.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rfei@adlercolvin.com">rfei@adlercolvin.com</a>><br>
</span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rfei@adlercolvin.com">rfei@adlercolvin.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rfei@adlercolvin.com">rfei@adlercolvin.com</a>>>>,<br>
> >>> "<a href="mailto:ICANN@adlercolvin.com">ICANN@adlercolvin.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ICANN@adlercolvin.com">ICANN@adlercolvin.com</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ICANN@adlercolvin.com">ICANN@adlercolvin.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ICANN@adlercolvin.com">ICANN@adlercolvin.com</a>>>"<br>
> >>> <<a href="mailto:ICANN@adlercolvin.com">ICANN@adlercolvin.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ICANN@adlercolvin.com">ICANN@adlercolvin.com</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ICANN@adlercolvin.com">ICANN@adlercolvin.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ICANN@adlercolvin.com">ICANN@adlercolvin.com</a>>>>,<br>
<span>> >>> Sidley ICANN CCWG <<a href="mailto:sidleyicannccwg@sidley.com">sidleyicannccwg@sidley.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sidleyicannccwg@sidley.com">sidleyicannccwg@sidley.com</a>><br>
</span>> >>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sidleyicannccwg@sidley.com">sidleyicannccwg@sidley.com</a><br>
<span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sidleyicannccwg@sidley.com">sidleyicannccwg@sidley.com</a>>>>,<br>
> >>> "<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a>><br>
</span>> >>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a>>>"<br>
> >>> <<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a><br>
<div><div class="h5">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Samantha.Eisner@icann.org">Samantha.Eisner@icann.org</a>>>><br>
> >>> *Objet:* *Human Rights Transition Provision: Bylaws Section<br>
> >>> 27.3(a)*<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Dear Co-Chairs and Bylaws Coordinating Group:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On the CCWG call last week, there was a discussion of the<br>
> >>> Bylaws language regarding the transition provision on Human<br>
> >>> Rights*//*[27.3(a)] and it was suggested that the<br>
> language be<br>
> >>> clarified to ensure that the same approval process used for<br>
> >>> Work Stream 1 would apply. We propose the following<br>
> >>> clarifying edits. We suggest that you share this with the<br>
> >>> CCWG and if there is agreement, the following proposed edit<br>
> >>> should be included in the CCWG’s public comment:____<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Redline:____<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> *Section 27.3. HUMAN RIGHTS____*<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> __ __<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> (a) The Core Value set forth in Section 1.2(b)(viii) shall<br>
> >>> have no force or effect unless and until a framework of<br>
> >>> interpretation for human rights (“*FOI-HR*”) is approved by<br>
> >>> (i) approved for submission to the Board by the<br>
> >>> CCWG-Accountability as a consensus recommendation in Work<br>
> >>> Stream 2, and (ii) approved by each of the<br>
> >>> CCWG-Accountability’s chartering organizations and (iii) the<br>
> >>> Board, (in each thecase of the Board, using the same process<br>
> >>> and criteria used by the Boardto consider the as for Work<br>
> >>> Stream 1 Recommendations).____<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> __ __<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> (b) No person or entity shall be entitled to invoke the<br>
> >>> reconsideration process provided in Section 4.2, or the<br>
> >>> independent review process provided in Section 4.3, based<br>
> >>> solely on the inclusion of the Core Value set forth in<br>
> >>> Section 1.2(b)(viii) (i) until after the FOI-HR contemplated<br>
> >>> by Section 27.3(a) is in place or (ii) for actions of ICANN<br>
> >>> or the Board that occurred prior to the____<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> effectiveness of the FOI-HR.____<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Clean:____<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> *Section 27.3. HUMAN RIGHTS____*<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> __ __<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> (a) The Core Value set forth in Section 1.2(b)(viii) shall<br>
> >>> have no force or effect unless and until a framework of<br>
> >>> interpretation for human rights (“*FOI-HR*”) is (i) approved<br>
> >>> for submission to the Board by the CCWG-Accountability as a<br>
> >>> consensus recommendation in Work Stream 2 and (ii) approved<br>
> >>> by the Board, in each case, using the same process and<br>
> >>> criteria as for Work Stream 1 Recommendations.____<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> __ __<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> (b) No person or entity shall be entitled to invoke the<br>
> >>> reconsideration process provided in Section 4.2, or the<br>
> >>> independent review process provided in Section 4.3, based<br>
> >>> solely on the inclusion of the Core Value set forth in<br>
> >>> Section 1.2(b)(viii) (i) until after the FOI-HR contemplated<br>
> >>> by Section 27.3(a) is in place or (ii) for actions of ICANN<br>
> >>> or the Board that occurred prior to the____<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> effectiveness of the FOI-HR.____<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Kind regards, ____<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> __ __<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Holly and Rosemary____<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> __ __<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> __ __<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> *HOLLY* *J. GREGORY*<br>
> >>> Partner and Co-Chair<br>
> >>> Corporate Governance & Executive Compensation Practice<br>
> Group____<br>
> >>><br>
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> >>> <a href="mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com">holly.gregory@sidley.com</a><br>
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