<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">There's a problem with the recommendation for Section 1.1(c). Specifically, the "Recommendation" is incorrect (based on both the "Issue" stated just above it and the call we had last week). The decision of the group was to eliminate the second clause (beginning with "and nothing..."), leaving only the first clause "For the avoidance of doubt, ICANN does not hold any governmentally authorized regulatory authority." The proposed Recommendation gets this almost exactly backward, deleting the first clause and leaving the second. This needs to be fixed as set forth below.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Currently the section reads as follows:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div>1. Draft Bylaws section 1.1 (c)<br>1.1. Text from the Bylaws: “ICANN shall not regulate (i.e., impose rules and restrictions on) services that use the Internet’s unique identifiers or the content that such services carry or provide, outside the express scope of Section 1.1(a). For the avoidance of doubt, ICANN does not hold any governmentally authorized regulatory authority, and nothing in the preceding sentence should be construed to suggest that it does have authority to impose such regulations.”<br>1.2. Issue: The last clause of the last sentence: "nothing in the preceding sentence should be construed to suggest that it does have authority to impose such regulations" Appears to create some ambiguity.<br>1.3. Recommendation: Remove this clause and end the sentence with "authority." The text would now read: “ICANN shall not regulate (i.e., impose rules and restrictions on) services that use the Internet’s unique identifiers or the content that such services carry or provide, outside the express scope of Section 1.1(a). For the avoidance of doubt, nothing in the preceding sentence should be construed to suggest that ICANN does have such authority.”<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Instead, the Recommendation should be changed to read as follows:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#0000ff">1.3. Recommendation: Remove this clause and end the sentence with "authority." The text would now read: “ICANN shall not regulate (i.e., impose rules and restrictions on) services that use the Internet’s unique identifiers or the content that such services carry or provide, outside the express scope of Section 1.1(a). For the avoidance of doubt, ICANN does not hold any governmentally authorized regulatory authority.”</font><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#0000ff"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#000000">Greg</font></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Silver, Bradley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com" target="_blank">Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks Milton – I agree “based on previously agreed language” could be unclear. I’d prefer to have language which preserve grandfathering for terms which are not substantively different from an agreed term. Merely tweaking the phrasing of a term or condition without changing its substance, shouldn’t exclude a term from the grandfathering – I don’t think that’s what we intended. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Mueller, Milton L [mailto:<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 08, 2016 11:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> Silver, Bradley; Bernard Turcotte; Accountability Cross Community</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - Draft Response to Public Consultation on New Bylaws - 72 hour consultation for the CCWG-Accountability<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Bradley<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Your proposed modification is on the right track, but I have trouble with the vagueness of “based on previously agreed language.” I see endless debates about whether some new term is “based on” agreed language or not. So why not just say this:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">“</span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:black">Previous discussions within the CCWG-Accountability while preparing the Bylaws Draft led to the conclusion that <b><u>grandfathering</u></b> of renewals were acceptable for these types of agreements, <b><u>but would not extend to any new term or condition.” <u></u><u></u></u></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:black"><u></u><span style="text-decoration:none"> </span><u></u></span></u></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dr. Milton L. Mueller<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Professor, School of Public Policy<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Georgia Institute of Technology<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_-7273485893430937491__MailEndCompose"></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Silver, Bradley [<a href="mailto:Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com" target="_blank">mailto:Bradley.Silver@timewarner.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 6, 2016 3:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>>; Bernard Turcotte <<a href="mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com" target="_blank">turcotte.bernard@gmail.com</a>>; Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - Draft Response to Public Consultation on New Bylaws - 72 hour consultation for the CCWG-Accountability<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The language may be read to imply that the addition of any new terms would take those agreements out of the grandfathering altogether, which is not what was intended – only the new terms. I suggest clarifying that as follows - <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:black">Previous discussions within the CCWG-Accountability while preparing the Bylaws Draft led to the conclusion that <b><u>grandfathering</u></b> of renewals were acceptable for these types of agreements, <b><u>but would not extend to any new term or condition which was not based on previously agreed language</u></b>. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mueller, Milton L<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 06, 2016 2:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L; Bernard Turcotte; Accountability Cross Community<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - Draft Response to Public Consultation on New Bylaws - 72 hour consultation for the CCWG-Accountability<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Also, related to this, shouldn’t the recommendation in 2.3 propose adding this language to the bylaws? <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.5pt">“…as long as these renewals did not include any new terms. Any new terms would need to be within the scope and mission of ICANN.”</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mueller, Milton L<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 6, 2016 2:16 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bernard Turcotte <<a href="mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com" target="_blank">turcotte.bernard@gmail.com</a>>; Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - Draft Response to Public Consultation on New Bylaws - 72 hour consultation for the CCWG-Accountability<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Bernard<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">One quick comment.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I was pleased to see the renewals of the RA/RAA flagged in 2.2. I think the comment is attempting to do the right thing, but I find the language phrased in a way that seems to create an unintentional ambiguity.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79">Under 2.2 you say:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.5pt">“…as long as these renewals did not include any new term based on previously agreed language. Any new terms would however need to be within the scope and mission of ICANN.”<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.5pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79">I do not understand the function or intent of the words “based on previously agreed language.” If the language is previously agreed, how can it be a new term? Did you mean to simply say:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p><span style="font-size:11.5pt">“…as long as these renewals did not include any new terms. Any new terms would need to be within the scope and mission of ICANN.”</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f4e79"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">--MM<u></u><u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bernard Turcotte<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 6, 2016 11:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - Draft Response to Public Consultation on New Bylaws - 72 hour consultation for the CCWG-Accountability<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">All,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">As discussed on the call this week please find attached the draft response of the CCWG-Accountability to the public consultation on the new Bylaws.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">This document was developed from the meeting notes of our call on May 3rd and reviewed by the leadership team.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">As discussed at that meeting we are providing the CCWG-Accountability a 72 hour comment period on this draft response <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">beginning 1800UTC Friday May 6th and closing 1800UTC Monday May 9th.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Please post your comments to the main CCWG-Accountability list, used to send this email, and please use the same SUBJECT to <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">facilitate tracking of comments (or simply REPLY to this email).<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Bernard Turcotte<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">ICANN Staff Support for the CCWG-Accountability Co-Chairs<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><p>=================================================================<br><b><i><span style="color:red">Reminder: Any email that requests your login credentials or that asks you to click on a link could be a phishing attack. 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