<p dir="ltr">From the minutes<br>
"<b>Bylaws section 1.1.(c), issue with language</b> - Suggested fix GShatan: The simplest solution would be to remove this clause and end the sentence with "authority." That removes the issue of "What does "such regulations" refer to?" I support this fix. TR supported. <b>General agreement to include this point in </b><b>CCWG</b><b> comments.</b>"</p>
<p dir="ltr">Please can you help me understand what part of the above is not implemented. I like to state that *unless* the legal team confirms otherwise, we stick to what they have recommended.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sent from my LG G4<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 13 May 2016 06:01, "Greg Shatan" <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Mathieu,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I don't believe you are correct on this point. I looked back at the both mark-ups provided by Sidley/Adler and there was no substantive comment on this point in either draft. The fix in my email reflects the outcome of the last CCWG call. The origin of the Recommendation in the draft is obscure, and does not come from the CCWG. Furthermore, the Recommendation as drafted does not make sense. The appropriate action to take is to execute what was agreed on the call, which is what's reflected in my email.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:53 AM, Mathieu Weill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="FR" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Greg, <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I believe we also received a comment on this from our lawyers, and we felt safer to go with our lawyer’s version. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The difference seems to be in specifically mentioning “governmentally authorized regulatory” authority. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Mathieu<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>De la part de</b> Greg Shatan<br><b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 11 mai 2016 21:02<br><b>À :</b> Bernard Turcotte<br><b>Cc :</b> Accountability Cross Community<br><b>Objet :</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - V2.0 of comments on draft Bylaws - 24 hour Final Feedback by CCWG-Accountability<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">This version fails to take into account my comment of May 9, which I will copy and paste here for ease of reference. Simply put, the Recommendation in this draft (as in the first draft) is not what we agreed to in the meeting. It also fails to solve the problem. Please correct the Comment as set forth below in blue. Thanks!<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Greg<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">There's a problem with the recommendation for Section 1.1(c). Specifically, the "Recommendation" is incorrect (based on both the "Issue" stated just above it and the call we had last week). The decision of the group was to eliminate the second clause (beginning with "and nothing..."), leaving only the first clause "For the avoidance of doubt, ICANN does not hold any governmentally authorized regulatory authority." The proposed Recommendation gets this almost exactly backward, deleting the first clause and leaving the second. This needs to be fixed as set forth below.<br><br>Currently the section reads as follows:<br><br>1. Draft Bylaws section 1.1 (c)<br>1.1. Text from the Bylaws: “ICANN shall not regulate (i.e., impose rules and restrictions on) services that use the Internet’s unique identifiers or the content that such services carry or provide, outside the express scope of Section 1.1(a). For the avoidance of doubt, ICANN does not hold any governmentally authorized regulatory authority, and nothing in the preceding sentence should be construed to suggest that it does have authority to impose such regulations.”<br>1.2. Issue: The last clause of the last sentence: "nothing in the preceding sentence should be construed to suggest that it does have authority to impose such regulations" Appears to create some ambiguity.<br>1.3. Recommendation: Remove this clause and end the sentence with "authority." The text would now read: “ICANN shall not regulate (i.e., impose rules and restrictions on) services that use the Internet’s unique identifiers or the content that such services carry or provide, outside the express scope of Section 1.1(a). For the avoidance of doubt, nothing in the preceding sentence should be construed to suggest that ICANN does have such authority.”<br><br>Instead, the Recommendation should be changed to read as follows:<br><br><span style="color:blue">1.3. Recommendation: Remove this clause and end the sentence with "authority." The text would now read: “ICANN shall not regulate (i.e., impose rules and restrictions on) services that use the Internet’s unique identifiers or the content that such services carry or provide, outside the express scope of Section 1.1(a). For the avoidance of doubt, ICANN does not hold any governmentally authorized regulatory authority.”</span></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Bernard Turcotte <<a href="mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com" target="_blank">turcotte.bernard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">All,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Please find attached V2.0 of the CCWG-Accountability comments to be submitted to the ICANN public consultation on the New Bylaws.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Modifications since V1.0 was circulated (There is no red-line comparison as too many things have changed. Rather we are providing a high level summary of changes here and are providing both versions V1.0 and 2.0 for ease of comparison):<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal">V1.0 items 9 and 10 have been removed following consideration of legal counsel advice.<u></u><u></u></li></ul><ul type="disc"><ul type="circle"><li class="MsoNormal">9. Draft Bylaws Annex D Section 1.4(b)<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">10. Draft Bylaws Annex D Section 2.2 (c) (i) (A)<u></u><u></u></li></ul></ul><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal">V2.0 new item 9 is - Draft Bylaws Section 1.2(b)(viii) which was in the initial comments but not included in V1.0<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">V2.0 new items 10 to 14. These are a selection by the leadership from the list of issues submitted by Alan Greenberg this past weekend<u></u><u></u></li></ul><ul type="disc"><ul type="circle"><li class="MsoNormal">10. Draft Bylaws Section 7.12 (b)<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal">11. Draft Bylaws Section 4.6(b)(ii)<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">12.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">Draft Bylaws Section 7.4(d)</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">13.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style="color:black">Draft Bylaws Section 7.11(a)(i)(B)</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">14. Draft Bylaws Annex D, Section 1.4(b)(i-ii)</span><u></u><u></u></li></ul></ul><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">V2.0 New - Conclusion - short recap of Introduction</span><u></u><u></u></li></ul><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The Final Feedback period is only intended to provide the CCWG-Accountability participants the opportunity to confirm there are no significant issues or gaps in this version and is not intended as an opportunity to raise new issues.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The Feedback period will begin 20:00UTC today Wednesday May 11th and close 20:00UTC Thursday May 12th.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Please reply to the list using the Subject line of this message to facilitate identifying your input (or simply REPLY to this email).</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The objective of the leadership is to finalize these and submit them before the weekend.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Documents attached.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Bernard Turcotte</span><span style="color:#888888"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">ICANN Staff Support for the CCWG-Accountability Co-Chairs - Mathieu Weill, Thomas Rickert, Leon Sanchez</span><span style="color:#888888"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>
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