<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi Niels,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">we had been advised by our law firms that there is no real legal difference between the two alternatives, which is why the comment has not made its way into the final version of the CCWG comment if memory does not fail me. If you still think this needs fixing, please do submit a comment to bring it to the attention of the drafting teams.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Thanks,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Thomas<br><br><div><span style="font-size: 13pt;">---</span></div><div><a href="http://rickert.net">rickert.net</a></div><div><a href="http://eco.de">eco.de</a></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>Am 17.05.2016 um 10:36 schrieb Niels ten Oever <<a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net">lists@nielstenoever.net</a>>:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Dear Mathieu,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Thanks for this. There is an issue related to the Human Rights bylaw,</span><br><span>which we have discussed and on which I think we reach agreement that has</span><br><span>not been addressed in the CCWG public comment. Namely the comment made</span><br><span>by Seth underneath, the exclusion of the text "unless and", about which</span><br><span>I thought we reached consensus.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Since the CCWG comments have already been submitted, how would you</span><br><span>advice to proceed on this matter?</span><br><span></span><br><span>Best,</span><br><span></span><br><span>Niels</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On 05/13/2016 07:45 PM, Seth Johnson wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Note for all: This does not address the inclusion of "unless and" in</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Section 27.3 (a), which makes the FOI on HR conditional and does not</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>reflect the CCWG Report which only says the Core Value is not in force</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"until" the FOI is developed. Already said this, with some support.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Repeating for reference once again.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Seth</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear Colleagues,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Attached is the comment posted to the public comment forum on the Draft</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Icann Bylaws on our behalf. Thanks to all of you for contributing to this</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>effort.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-draft-new-bylaws-21apr16/">https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-draft-new-bylaws-21apr16/</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thomas, Leon & Mathieu</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>De : Mathieu Weill [<a href="mailto:weill@afnic.fr">mailto:weill@afnic.fr</a>]</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Envoyé : vendredi 13 mai 2016 18:19</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>À : '<a href="mailto:comments-draft-new-bylaws-21apr16@icann.org">comments-draft-new-bylaws-21apr16@icann.org</a>'</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Objet : CCWG Accountability comment</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Please find enclosed the comment submitted on behalf of the Cross Community</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Working Group en Enhancing Icann’s Accountability.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best regards,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thomas Rickert, Leon Felipe Sanchez and Mathieu Weill</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Co-chairs</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote 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