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    <p>Dear all,</p>
    <p>I agree with Greg. Drafting might be an issue for some, of
      course, but the absence of transcriptions is a much bigger
      problem. Many of us are volunteering at ICANN while having a full
      time job, hence missing calls is unfortunately inevitable
      sometimes. With no transcripts every missed call is a big deal. I
      understand that action notes can ensure where things stand, but
      transcriptions might be helpful when there is a need to get back
      and check.</p>
    <p>So this is very unfortunate.</p>
    <p>Best regards</p>
    <p>Tanya <br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/05/16 18:14, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'm more concerned
          about a different area of (lack of) support:</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">"No note taking by
          staff, beyond action items, and no transcriptions."</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This will make it more
          difficult to keep the thread of our work going from week to
          week.</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I think we may have
          relied too heavily on staff drafting of the actual report in
          Work Stream 1.  While I don't necessarily relish substantial
          drafting responsibilities, it's important that the end product
          be the work of the community.  The staff (and in particular
          Bernie) did an amazing job, but it still felt like an odd
          "intermediation" at times.</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Meeting notes and
          transcriptions are important tools in getting to that point. 
          Hopefully, the action items will be sufficiently detailed to
          allow a meeting's results to be comprehensible to those that
          miss that call, but something will be lost when the sole
          record of that meeting is a recording and a bullet-point list
          of "action items."</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Finn
          Petersen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:FinPet@erst.dk" target="_blank">FinPet@erst.dk</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-US">I fully support the idea from Jorge.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-US">Best,</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-US">Finn</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Fra:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
                          target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
                        [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
                          target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                        <b>På vegne af </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"
                          target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><br>
                        <b>Sendt:</b> 30. maj 2016 12:13<br>
                        <b>Til:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">turcotte.bernard@gmail.com</a>;
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"
                          target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
                        <b>Emne:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability
                        - Preparing for WS2</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                        lang="EN-US">Dear co-chairs, dear all</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                        lang="EN-US">I was finally having a look at
                        these documents and an apparent inconsistency
                        struck my eye: on the one hand, it is foreseen
                        that the subgroups will do the „heavy lifting“
                        including drafting etc.. But, on the other hand,
                        the subgroup members are expected to draft their
                        own documents.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                        lang="EN-US">This could delegate and impose
                        probably too much of a burden on the volunteers
                        and have also undesired side-effects on the
                        inclusiveness and diversity of the subgroups and
                        their outputs, as drafting is not only extremely
                        time intensive –a resource which is unequally
                        distributed- but also requires native or
                        near-native English writing skills.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                        lang="EN-US">Hence, I would advocate a more
                        balanced approach, with our professional and
                        neutral staff still taking care of the drafting
                        of each subgroups’ key documents (e.g. initial
                        issues description, scoping paper, draft output
                        docs, output doc, etc) as a general rule – with
                        subgroup participants taking over documents that
                        have a more contingent/ad hoc character.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                        lang="EN-US">Hope this may be agreeable to all</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                        lang="EN-US">Best</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                        lang="EN-US">Jorge
                      </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                          lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                        lang="DE">
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
                          target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
                        [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
                          target="_blank">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                        <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Bernard Turcotte<br>
                        <b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 25. Mai 2016 18:21<br>
                        <b>An:</b> Accountability Cross Community &lt;<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"
                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a></a>&gt;<br>
                        <b>Betreff:</b> [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability
                        - Preparing for WS2</span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH">Dear all,</span><span
                            lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH"> </span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH">As the work on the Bylaws comes
                            to a close, we have spent some time
                            preparing and thinking through Work Stream
                            2. Our official Work Stream 2 kick-off is
                            on Sunday 26 June at ICANN56 in Helsinki. To
                            prepare for the kick off, we would like to
                            have a plenary CCWG-Accountability next week
                            on Tuesday 31 May at 19:00 UTC. The proposed
                            agenda for the call is as follows:</span><span
                            lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH"> </span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                              lang="DE-CH">Agenda for CCWG meeting on 31
                              May at 19:00 UTC:</span></b><span
                            lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH">1. Opening Remarks</span><span
                            lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH">2. Budget discussion</span><span
                            lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH">3. Preparation for WS2 kickoff
                            in Helsinki</span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p><span
                            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"
                            lang="DE-CH">·</span><span
                            style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="DE-CH">         </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH">What to do before Helsinki</span><span
                            lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p><span
                            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"
                            lang="DE-CH">·</span><span
                            style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="DE-CH">         </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH">What are next steps (after
                            Helsinki)</span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH">4. AOB</span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH">5. Closing Remarks</span><span
                            lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH"> </span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH">Attached you will find a
                            presentation on the budget that we have
                            prepared with the help of Bernard Turcotte
                            and ICANN staff in their Project Costing
                            Support Team function. We will need to
                            submit this budget to the ICANN Board for
                            their consideration and approval before the
                            start of FY17 in July. As you will see from
                            the presentation, there are a few areas that
                            we may want to discuss as a full group
                            before submitting our proposal. Please
                            initiate the discussion on the
                            CCWG-Accountability list, and we’ll continue
                            the discussion on the call.</span><span
                            lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH"> </span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH">You will also find attached a
                            presentation on preparing the WS2 kickoff in
                            Helsinki.</span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH"> </span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH">Best,</span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                            lang="DE-CH">Mathieu, Thomas, Leon</span><span
                            lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                              lang="DE-CH">CCWG-Accountability co-Chairs</span></i><span
                            lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
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