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<p>Dear all,</p>
<p>I agree with Greg. Drafting might be an issue for some, of
course, but the absence of transcriptions is a much bigger
problem. Many of us are volunteering at ICANN while having a full
time job, hence missing calls is unfortunately inevitable
sometimes. With no transcripts every missed call is a big deal. I
understand that action notes can ensure where things stand, but
transcriptions might be helpful when there is a need to get back
and check.</p>
<p>So this is very unfortunate.</p>
<p>Best regards</p>
<p>Tanya <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/05/16 18:14, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'm more concerned
about a different area of (lack of) support:</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">"No note taking by
staff, beyond action items, and no transcriptions."</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This will make it more
difficult to keep the thread of our work going from week to
week.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I think we may have
relied too heavily on staff drafting of the actual report in
Work Stream 1. While I don't necessarily relish substantial
drafting responsibilities, it's important that the end product
be the work of the community. The staff (and in particular
Bernie) did an amazing job, but it still felt like an odd
"intermediation" at times.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Meeting notes and
transcriptions are important tools in getting to that point.
Hopefully, the action items will be sufficiently detailed to
allow a meeting's results to be comprehensible to those that
miss that call, but something will be lost when the sole
record of that meeting is a recording and a bullet-point list
of "action items."</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Finn
Petersen <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:FinPet@erst.dk" target="_blank">FinPet@erst.dk</a>></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">I fully support the idea from Jorge.</span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Best,</span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Finn</span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Fra:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>På vegne af </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"
target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 30. maj 2016 12:13<br>
<b>Til:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com"
target="_blank">turcotte.bernard@gmail.com</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"
target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Emne:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability
- Preparing for WS2</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Dear co-chairs, dear all</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">I was finally having a look at
these documents and an apparent inconsistency
struck my eye: on the one hand, it is foreseen
that the subgroups will do the „heavy lifting“
including drafting etc.. But, on the other hand,
the subgroup members are expected to draft their
own documents.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">This could delegate and impose
probably too much of a burden on the volunteers
and have also undesired side-effects on the
inclusiveness and diversity of the subgroups and
their outputs, as drafting is not only extremely
time intensive –a resource which is unequally
distributed- but also requires native or
near-native English writing skills.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Hence, I would advocate a more
balanced approach, with our professional and
neutral staff still taking care of the drafting
of each subgroups’ key documents (e.g. initial
issues description, scoping paper, draft output
docs, output doc, etc) as a general rule – with
subgroup participants taking over documents that
have a more contingent/ad hoc character.</span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Hope this may be agreeable to all</span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">Best</span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Jorge
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lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span
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lang="DE">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
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<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Bernard Turcotte<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 25. Mai 2016 18:21<br>
<b>An:</b> Accountability Cross Community <<a
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target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a></a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability
- Preparing for WS2</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH">Dear all,</span><span
lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH"> </span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH">As the work on the Bylaws comes
to a close, we have spent some time
preparing and thinking through Work Stream
2. Our official Work Stream 2 kick-off is
on Sunday 26 June at ICANN56 in Helsinki. To
prepare for the kick off, we would like to
have a plenary CCWG-Accountability next week
on Tuesday 31 May at 19:00 UTC. The proposed
agenda for the call is as follows:</span><span
lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH"> </span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH">Agenda for CCWG meeting on 31
May at 19:00 UTC:</span></b><span
lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH">1. Opening Remarks</span><span
lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH">2. Budget discussion</span><span
lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH">3. Preparation for WS2 kickoff
in Helsinki</span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"
lang="DE-CH">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="DE-CH"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH">What to do before Helsinki</span><span
lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"
lang="DE-CH">·</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt" lang="DE-CH"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH">What are next steps (after
Helsinki)</span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH">4. AOB</span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH">5. Closing Remarks</span><span
lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH"> </span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH">Attached you will find a
presentation on the budget that we have
prepared with the help of Bernard Turcotte
and ICANN staff in their Project Costing
Support Team function. We will need to
submit this budget to the ICANN Board for
their consideration and approval before the
start of FY17 in July. As you will see from
the presentation, there are a few areas that
we may want to discuss as a full group
before submitting our proposal. Please
initiate the discussion on the
CCWG-Accountability list, and we’ll continue
the discussion on the call.</span><span
lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH">You will also find attached a
presentation on preparing the WS2 kickoff in
Helsinki.</span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
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lang="DE-CH"> </span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH">Best,</span><span lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH">Mathieu, Thomas, Leon</span><span
lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="DE-CH">CCWG-Accountability co-Chairs</span></i><span
lang="DE-CH"></span></p>
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