To echo Thomas a bit - this is a proposal your cochairs and rapporteurs have fleshed out with staff to identify the resources needed for WS2 based on some assumptions about how the work will be done.<div><br></div><div>Today we can discuss how the work is done and the resources required. That then will give everyone some clarity about the budget needed for next year.</div><div><br></div><div>Nothing is set in stone right now. <span></span></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Jordan </div><div><br>On Tuesday, 31 May 2016, Thomas Rickert <<a href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net">thomas@rickert.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">All,<div>as I mentioned in my previous e-mail to the list, let us discuss the issue during the upcoming call. It is a bit unfortunate that there is so much suspicion. </div><div><br></div><div>I am sure we will be able to put most, if not all, concerns at rest. Some will be disappointed that there are no evil forces at work. </div><div><br></div><div>Talk to you in a few hours.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Thomas</div><div><br></div><div><br><div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"></div></div></div></div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Am 31.05.2016 um 17:46 schrieb Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com');" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>>:</div><br><div><div>Why is anyone surprised that those holding the resources are going to<br>constrain you? It is in ICANN's corporate interest to limit outside review.<br><br>If we were serious about the process we would ask ICANN for a top line # for<br>how much it is willing to spend on the WS2 process and then WE would decide<br>how to allocate it: transcription; travel support; legal support; whatever.<br>I have no real problem with ICANN setting an overall budget (subject, of<br>course, to the new EC budget review powers). But allocation and priority<br>setting should be by the CCWG.<br><br>Paul<br><br>Paul Rosenzweig<br><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com');" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a><br>O: +1 (202) 547-0660<br>M: +1 (202) 329-9650<br>VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739<br><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">www.redbranchconsulting.com</a><br>My PGP Key<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org');" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org');" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Alan<br>Greenberg<br>Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 9:11 AM<br>To: Nigel Roberts <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nigel@channelisles.net');" target="_blank">nigel@channelisles.net</a>>;<br><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','accountability-cross-community@icann.org');" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - WS2 Presentation for meeting<br>tomorrow - Minor corrections<br><br>Without commenting on the specifics of the issues (whether staff note taking<br>or transcriptions or whatever), the entire discussion on costs started with<br>us being told that we had exceeded our budget, a budget we were not aware<br>of, did not know what it covered, and had absolutely no handle on what the<br>costs were that were associated with it.<br><br>I would have hoped that this time around, if we were making cost vs benefit<br>decisions, we would not only be told the "decision", but also made aware of<br>the specific costs that were being deemed to be too high and thus<br>eliminated.<br><br>VERY tiresome.<br><br>Alan<br><br>At 31/05/2016 04:02 AM, Nigel Roberts wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">I support Avri, Marilyn et al on transcription.<br><br>The lack of transcription is a direct attack on the ability of <br>non-native speakers to participate, whether unintentional or intentional.<br><br>But I'll really not surprised.<br><br><br><br>On 31/05/16 05:27, Harold Arcos wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hello Avri, everyone<br><br>I join in the thanks of Carlos towards Avri regarding noted lack of <br>the transcription.<br>Her POV is more than right because the reading allow follow much <br>better the argumentative process.<br><br>I agree with your question and I joinv<br><br>Kind regards<br><br>Harold Arcos<br>+58 4129982820<br>skp: harcos0912<br><br><br>On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:17 PM, avri doria <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','avri@apc.org');" target="_blank">avri@apc.org</a> <br><mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','avri@apc.org');" target="_blank">avri@apc.org</a>>> wrote:<br><br> Hi,<br><br> I would like to question the non transcription decision.<br><br> Especially in the case where the participants are responsible for<br></blockquote></blockquote>both<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> participating and making sure all discussed issues are included, the<br> transcription is important. It also helps those for whom English is<br></blockquote></blockquote>not<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> a first language, who read better than they parse peoples varying<br> accents and pronunciations.<br><br> avri<br><br><br> On 30-May-16 11:46, Bernard Turcotte wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">All,<br><br>Minor corrections to the slides on WS2 attached.<br><br>B.<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org');" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br></blockquote> <mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org');" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br><br><br> ---<br> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br> <a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" target="_blank">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a><br><br> _______________________________________________<br> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br> <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org');" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br> <mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org');" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list <br><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org');" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list <br><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org');" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br></blockquote><br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org');" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org');" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br>-- <br>Jordan Carter<br>Chief Executive, InternetNZ<p>+64-21-442-649 | <a href="mailto:jordan@internetnz.net.nz">jordan@internetnz.net.nz</a><p>Sent on the run, apologies for brevity<br></p></p>