<p dir="ltr">Hello Parminder,</p>
<p dir="ltr">As an African, I would tend to agree with your point and wish that your conclusion point was the case (as a reactive measure). However as you know, we have discussed this extensively in the past (on different fora) and we found that the means to the end of such is so complicated and the end itself would ultimately create a govt lead ICANN which i certainly don't want.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I may have missed something, Parminder, but isn't
it a plus rather than a negative for ICANN accountability that
process errors can be appealed and the company held to account
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In may make ICANN accountable, but to a system that is unaccountable
to the global public, and is only accountable to the US public
(there could even be cases where these two could be in partial
conflict) - that in sum is the jurisdiction issue. ICANN
accountability issue is different, though linked, bec it has to be
accountable, but to the right system, which itself is accountable to
the global public. Different 'layers' of accountability are
implicated here, as people in IG space will like to say! <br>
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Here the issue is, a US court has no right to (exclusively)
adjudicate the rights of the African people, bec African people had
no part in making or legitimising the system that the US court is a
part of. Dont you see what problem we will be facing if the US court
says that fairness of process or whatever demands that .africa goes
to DCA. If you were an African, what would you feel?<br>
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An ICANN under international law will be subject to only an
international judicial process, which Africa is equally a part of,
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 19 June 2016 at 07:26, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span>
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<p dir="ltr">The Economist | A virtual turf war: The
scramble for .africa <a href="http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21700661-lawyers-california-are-denying-africans-their-own-domain-scramble?frsc=dg%7Cd" target="_blank">http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21700661-lawyers-california-are-denying-africans-their-own-domain-scramble?frsc=dg%7Cd</a></p>
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</span> Not that this fact is being discovered now, but it
still is the simplest and clearest proof that US
jurisdiction over ICANN's policy processes and decisions
is absolutely untenable. Either the US makes a special
legal provision unilaterally foregoing judicial,
legislative and executive jurisdiction over ICANN policy
functions, or the normal route of ICANN's incorporation
under international law is taken, making ICANN an
international organisation under international law, and
protected from US jurisdiction under a host country
agreement. <br>
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