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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 19 June 2016 11:31 AM, Jordan
      Carter wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I may have missed something, Parminder, but isn't
        it a plus rather than a negative for ICANN accountability that
        process errors can be appealed and the company held to account
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    Jordan<br>
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    In may make ICANN accountable, but to a system that is unaccountable
    to the global public, and is only accountable to the US public
    (there could even be cases where these two could be in partial
    conflict) - that in sum is the jurisdiction issue. ICANN
    accountability issue is different, though linked, bec it has to be
    accountable, but to the right system, which itself is accountable to
    the global public. Different 'layers' of accountability are
    implicated here, as people in IG space will like to say! <br>
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    Here the issue is, a US court has no right to (exclusively)
    adjudicate the rights of the African people, bec African people had
    no part in making or legitimising the system that the US court is a
    part of. Dont you see what problem we will be facing if the US court
    says that fairness of process or whatever demands that .africa goes
    to DCA. If you were an African, what would you feel?<br>
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    An ICANN under international law will be subject to only an
    international judicial process, which Africa is equally a part of,
    and gives legitimacy to. <br>
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        <div>Jordan</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 19 June 2016 at 07:26, parminder <span
            dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>&gt;</span>
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                <div>On Sunday 19 June 2016 04:13 AM, Paul Rosenzweig
                  wrote:<br>
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                  <p dir="ltr">The Economist | A virtual turf war: The
                    scramble for .africa <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21700661-lawyers-california-are-denying-africans-their-own-domain-scramble?frsc=dg%7Cd"
                      target="_blank">http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21700661-lawyers-california-are-denying-africans-their-own-domain-scramble?frsc=dg%7Cd</a></p>
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              </span> Not that this fact is being discovered now, but it
              still is the simplest and clearest proof that US
              jurisdiction over ICANN's policy processes and decisions
              is absolutely untenable. Either the US makes a special
              legal provision unilaterally foregoing judicial,
              legislative and executive jurisdiction over ICANN policy
              functions, or the normal route of ICANN's incorporation
              under international law is taken, making ICANN an
              international organisation under international law, and
              protected from US jurisdiction under a host country
              agreement. <br>
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        <div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Jordan
          Carter
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