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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 25 June 2016 09:55 PM,
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There is something called international law..... Like we are an
international community working on an international issue, there is
also international law. <br>
best, parminder <br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
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<b>En nombre de </b>parminder<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> sábado, 25 de junio de 2016 12:04
p.m.<br>
<b>Para:</b> Paul Rosenzweig
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com"><paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] premature jurisdiction
debates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Saturday 25 June 2016 07:36 PM, Paul
Rosenzweig wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Sorry
Parminder, but this is just not accurate. If I enter into
a contract that says “</span>Indian intellectual property
law will apply to the elements and objects of their contract
and not US?” the US courts will apply Indian law.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks Paul. This is very interesting. <br>
<br>
Let me see if we are speaking about the same thing. Do you
mean that<br>
<br>
(1) Rojadirecta, is a Spanish sports video streaming service,
whose business model was found perfectly legitimate by Spanish
courts but <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110201/10252412910/homeland-security-seizes-spanish-domain-name-that-had-already-been-declared-legal.shtml">whose
website was seized by the US Homeland Security's Immigration
and Customs Enforcement (ICE) division</a> on copyright
violation grounds. Now, lets say rojadirecta applies to ICANN
for a closed or private use gTLD .rojadirecta, can ICANN and
rojadirecta agree that Spanish copyrights law alone will apply
to this new gTLD, and not US laws, which after all makes sense
bec rojadirecta is a Spanish company with its primary business
there? And if they do so agree and put in the contract, the
mentioned US agency will not be able to seize the gTLD citing
US copyrights law violation, and if they do seize it, US
courts will reverse the decision on the grounds that US IP law
does not apply to the gTLD? I very much doubt it could that
way, but extremely interested to hear your professional views
on this. <br>
<br>
(2) Similarly, if .ir ccTLD holders had put in a contract with
ICANN that on .ir only Iranian laws, of this and this kind,
will apply, and not US law, we would not even have the current
litigation around .ir that we have? (Then certainly all ccTLDs
should get ICANN to make such a contract with them!)<br>
<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe it is different in India, where I
guess you are a lawyer – but not here in the US.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Oh no, I am no lawyer, as I said in my last email. In fact I
have no kind of legal training at all. <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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parminder [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 25, 2016 6:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Rosenzweig <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] premature jurisdiction
debates</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Saturday 25 June 2016 01:40 AM, Paul
Rosenzweig wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">“</span>Courts
do not enforce plaintiff’s will, *they enforce the law of
the US*. A plaintiff's appeal is just the trigger or the
proximate cause. This is quite basic. Not sure why we are
discussing such basic factual stuff, and are confused
about them.” (Parminder)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I guess we discuss them because some
people are in fact confused about them. This is a good
example – US courts (like many others around the globe)
often apply the laws of foreign jurisdictions and not the
laws of the United States to disputes. <o:p></o:p></p>
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The main job of US courts is to apply US law. US private law
would maintain that if two parties enter into a contract,
they must observe the condition of the contract, as far as
it is lawful (per the US law) and within the overall prior
application of public law to their relationship. Now, it is
possible that foreign laws may be sub parts of that
contractual arrangement, but any such thing is highly
subordinate to the application of relevant US laws, its
public laws as well as laws and canons of fairness, process
etc vis a vis private law. I am not a lawyer, and I can see
that you are. But even for me, the hierarchy and the clear
distinction are evident as just political common sense. It
is completely wrong to suggest that depending on what the
parties may have pre-decided foreign laws could take
precedence over US laws in the mind and acts of a US court.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So the basic answer is that the courts
adjudicate the laws as directed … by statute or by the
parties.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
Public law of the US would apply as a prior category to any
issue.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Here in the US, for example, we often
apply English law; we apply admiralty law of nations; and
I have personally participated as a representative in a
dispute in which the principal question involved the laws
of Germany. We apply these laws to disputes because the
contract between the parties so directs. If ICANN said in
its registry contracts (for example) that the suit would
be heard in US courts but that the law of Switzerland
would apply the US courts would honor that designation. <o:p></o:p></p>
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As elements of a contract between the two parties - which
can in any case be written by the two party as they wish -
*as long as it is consistent and within the US law*, right.
And as said, US public law fully applies. Can ICANN and a
registry put in its contract that Indian intellectual
property law will apply to the elements and objects of their
contract and not US? Of course not. <br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ICANN indeed is free to designate ANY
venue in the globe and ANY applicable substantive law it
wishes for its contractual disputes and the US courts
would enforce those contracts. Despite your contention
otherwise, the only aspect of US law that cannot be
contractually derogated from because of ICANN’s
incorporation in California is the California law
regarding the formation and operation of corporations.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
See my IP law example. Can ICANN, together with the
contracting registry, decide to immune itself and a gTLD
from US Intellectual property law ? Most DNS interferences
in the US take place because of IP related motivations. It
will be great if such a thing can be done. ICANN must really
look into it, and choose a developing country IP
jurisdiction for all its contracts, and thus gTLDs, which
jurisdictions are the lightest and least obtrusive IP wise.
<br>
<br>
Your arguments continue to only think of private law, and I
think even in that area they do not hold. But do realise
that most current gTLD/ ccTLD disputes in the US are under
public law -- .xxx under competition law and .ir under
terrorism related laws. Are you saying that at the stage of
the contract ICANN could have immunised itself from these US
laws by choosing some other country’s laws as applicable to
the particular contracts and their subject, the gTLD or
ccTLD?<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<br>
<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 24, 2016 11:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] premature
jurisdiction debates</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thursday 23 June 2016 02:00 AM,
Greg Shatan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Lawsuits
in US courts are not "interference of the United
States," unless the United States is the
plaintiff. In the US, courts are limited to
hearing disputes between private parties. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Courts do not enforce plaintiff’s will, *they enforce the
law of the US*. A plaintiff's appeal is just the trigger
or the proximate cause. This is quite basic. Not sure why
we are discussing such basic factual stuff, and are
confused about them. Just because they help a case for
sticking to US jurisdiction!? Bec if somehow law can be
proved to be neutral, technical, kind of thing, then one
can pursue the argument that it doesnt matter which one is
employed.<br>
<br>
Law is something that comes from the 'will of the people'
of a particular nation and is therefore legitimately
specific to it, and is illegitimate to apply to others.
Tweaking the famous call from US independence struggle "no
taxation without representation" to "no legislation
without representation". Taxation is after also a law, and
its enforcement. If freedom and self- representation was
important to the US centuries ago, and hopefully still is,
please give some consideration to the rest of the world
too. A humble appeal.<br>
<br>
A comment below on another regularly expressed confusion
...<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The
US courts do not (as in some jurisdictions) have
any proactive, prosecutorial or investigative
powers. (In limited circumstances, in the context
of an actual litigation, the court can appoint
experts, but that's about as far as that goes.) </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The
cases Rubens cites are disputes between private
parties or between a private party and ICANN. The
US court is the forum for those disputes. This is
not "interference of the United States."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If
ICANN were located in another jurisdiction, that
jurisdiction's courts would be hearing these
disputes. Notably, ICANN is subject to being sued
in other countries where it has offices, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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It is only useful to sue an organisation in a country
whose judicial authorities can enforce their decisions
over that organisation, as US courts can over ICANN as a
US registered body. It is vain to and meaningless to sue
it elsewhere. Most courts outside would even refuse to
take on the case pointing to the pointlessness of it....<br>
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BTW, if it was the same about suing it wherever ICANN was,
why then not let it be in a non US location... Why is US
and the USians so keen to keep it in the US, so much so
that the jurisdiction issue even suddenly disappears from
the agenda of the workstream 2, only to make an
reappearance bec Brazil gov is too strong a party to be
treated lightly :)<br>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">so
there are already alternatives if plaintiffs want
to find a different venue in which to seek
redress. While this is a possibility, I believe
all plaintiffs that have sued ICANN have done so
in the US. This may say something about the
appeal of the US as a jurisdiction for resolving
disputes.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 4:13 PM,
Rubens Kuhl <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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à(s) 16:39:000, Phil Corwin <<a
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">So
long as we have a common
understanding of what would
constitute “interference by the U.S.
government” (of which there has been
little to none since ICANN’s
inception, with the possible
exception of the delay in .xxx
delegation to the root). I presume
you are advocating deciding upon a
process to address such an
occurrence, rather than making a
decision now about an alternate
jurisdiction for a situation that
may never arise, or occur decades
from now.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I’ll
start that discussion by stating
that it would likely include
interference in ICANN’s policymaking
process (outside of advocacy within
the GAC) or trying to block or
compel a change in the root zone,
through methods that are
inconsistent with the Bylaws.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
don’t think it should include
private litigation brought against
ICANN and heard in state or federal
court; or law enforcement actions,
such as bringing an antitrust action
if there is an allegation of illicit
pricing decisions, or criminal
charges against an ICANN employee
for embezzlement, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is already litigation
in California and federal courts that would
compel changes in the root zone, like the
litigation against the ccTLDs of Syria and
Iran, or the current .africa litigation... so
this interference of the US legal system
within ICANN policy making process is already
happening in some cases or imminent in
others. <o:p></o:p></p>
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