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<p>Agree - I think it would make sense that we spend a little more
time ensuring that the restated AoI do reflect the intent and
language of the new bylaws.</p>
<p>Matthew<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/07/2016 22:24, James Gannon
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<div>Hi All,</div>
<div>In light of this and some other conversations I think
that we need to take at least 24hours to review this comment
and ensure that it is a consensus comment of the CCWG before
we file it, Im not sure if a 24-48hr delay in the filing of
the CCWG comment would have a major impact downstream in the
timelines, I have cc’d Trang and Yuko who may be able to
respond to that.</div>
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<div>I think that we may have let the AoI slip under our radar
a little with all of the parallel work that is going on and
we need to make sure that we get this comment correct first
time and to do that we nee to do it with a full set of
inputs and considerations by the CCWG members and I don’t
feel we have this yet. I know that we are working to tight
deadlines, but we need to make sure that we do this right.</div>
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<div>-JG</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Greg Shatan <<a
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday 6 July
2016 at 21:45<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>James Gannon <<a
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"Gregory, Holly"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Thomas Rickert <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Mathieu Weill <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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"<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:leonfelipe@sanchez.mx">leonfelipe@sanchez.mx</a>"
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Accountability Cross Community <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Bernard Turcotte <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - Draft Comment for Public
Consultation on Articles of Incorporation (AOC)<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">It's unfortunate
that we don't have time to run this by our counsel, as I
would be interested in their views. Here are mine.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I would recommend
against filing these comments.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">FIRST, I disagree
with the second point raised. Substituting "shall" for
"may" would incorrectly imply that there is a
<u>requirement</u> that a determination of the global
public interest <u>must</u> take place. We have not
asked for such a requirement and we have not specified
any such requirement, which would render this statement
nebulous, ambiguous and undefined. As currently
drafted, <i>if</i> a determination of the global public
interest takes place it will be done by the
multistakeholder community using a bottom-up
multistakeholder process, but there is (properly) no
language
<u>requiring</u> that such a determination be made.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">If anyone
believes that Final Recommendation 1, para 51
<u>requires</u> the initiation of a process to determine
the global public interest, that should either be a part
of Work Stream 2 or a huge implementation item for Work
Stream 1. As far as I can see, it is neither -- which
further proves that changing "may" to "shall" goes
beyond the recommendations of the CCWG.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">SECOND, I also
disagree with the third point raised. "Organized" is
commonly used in Articles of Incorporation (indeed, in
some states, such as Massachusetts, a non-profit
corporation files Articles of Organization rather than
Articles of Incorporation). As our counsel pointed out
on the last call, the California official form for
Articles of Incorporation uses the term "organized."
(See attached) It is a best practice to stick closely
to the official language provided by the jurisdiction --
here it is "organized." This is demonstrated in model
California Articles of Incorporation prepared by Public
Counsel, a pro bono law firm, and available online (see
attached or
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.publiccounsel.org/publications?id=0059">http://www.publiccounsel.org/publications?id=0059</a>).
It would be far preferable if we were to accept the
clarification that "organized" is what's used in this
circumstance, rather than to recommend a change that is
at best meaningless and at worst creates the potential
for confusion (since one always looks for meaning in any
change, and confusion could fill the void created by the
meaninglessness of this change). To paraphrase
Shakespeare, I don't think the confusion is in the
document, it is in ourselves (or at least in some of us)
-- and it would be better for us to adjust our
understanding of the document, rather than to adjust the
document to suit our misunderstanding.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Of course, the
language of the CCWG comment is relatively undemanding
-- we only ask that "counsel" (whose counsel? ICANN's?)
or "the drafters" (why the difference?) review the
language. We do not justify our quasi-recommendations
of changes, other than by saying that we are confused by
the word "organized" and by demonstrating that we are
confused about what is permissive and what is required.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Frankly, I'm far
from sure that this comment is widely supported, other
than by apathy or lack of time. I think it would be a
mistake for either of these two recommendations (?) to
be adopted, and I hope that counsel/the drafters, upon
further review, let the original drafting stand.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The only thing I
agree with is the trivial change from "further" to
"future," which at least does not make matters worse.
This is hardly worth a comment by itself.<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">In sum, I
reiterate that I would recommend against filing these
comments.</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best regards,</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:49 PM,
Greg Shatan <span dir="ltr">
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I agree.
This is a legal document, and we should have the
benefit of counsel on this.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div>
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<div class="h5">On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:36 PM,
James Gannon <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>While not able to certify
anything, if there are issues that
our counsel see I think its
important that they are raised.</div>
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<div>-James</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday
6 July 2016 at 20:32<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Thomas
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Mathieu Weill <<a
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:
</span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT]
CCWG-Accountability - Draft Comment
for Public Consultation on Articles of
Incorporation (AOC)<br>
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[CCWG-ACCT]
CCWG-Accountability -
Draft Comment for Public
Consultation on Articles
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comment to the ICANN
public consultation on
the Articles of
Incorporation from the
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These comments are based
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on the AOC and in
consideration of Sam
Eisner's response to
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