<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Thanks, Trang!</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I suggest we still try to wrap up the discussion swiftly. Those that want to chime in, please do so at your earliest convenience.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Best,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Thomas<br><br><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><table class="" style="widows: auto; border-collapse: collapse; border-spacing: 0px;"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td valign="top" class="" style="border: 0px; width: 158px; outline: invert none medium; padding: 0px 8px 0px 0px; margin: 0px;"><div class="" style="border: 0px; outline: invert none medium; padding: 0px; margin: 0px;"><span class="" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Thomas Rickert</span></div><span class="" style="font-weight: bold; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Rechtsanwalt</span><div class="" style="border: 0px; outline: invert none medium; padding: 12px 0px 0px; margin: 0px;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><span class="">tel:</span> +49.228.74 898.0<br class=""><span class="">fax:</span> +49.228.74 898.66<br class=""><span class="">email:</span> <a href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net" class="">thomas@rickert.net</a><br class=""><span class="">web:</span> <a href="https://rickert.net/" class="" style="text-decoration: none;">rickert.net</a><br class=""></span></div></td><td valign="top" class="" style="outline: invert none medium; padding: 0px 0px 0px 8px; margin: 0px;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></td><td valign="top" class="" style="border: 0px; width: 139px; outline: invert none medium; padding: 0px 8px 0px 0px; margin: 0px;"><div class="" style="border: 0px; float: left; outline: invert none medium; padding: 10px 0px; margin: 0px;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><img alt="image" src="https://rickert.net/rickert-mail.jpg" title="rickert.net" border="0" height="96" width="139" class=""></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="" style="border-width: 1px 0px 0px; border-top-color: rgb(208, 208, 208); border-top-style: solid; outline: invert none medium; padding: 10px 0px; margin: 0px; widows: 1;"><div style="widows: auto;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">RICKERT Rechtsanwaltsgesellschaft m.b.H. (i.e. law firm)</span></div><span target="_blank" class="" style="border: medium none; outline: invert none medium; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><div style="widows: auto;"><a href="x-apple-data-detectors://3" x-apple-data-detectors="true" x-apple-data-detectors-type="address" x-apple-data-detectors-result="3">Kaiserplatz 7 - 9, 53113 Bonn, Germany</a></div><div style="widows: auto;">HRB 9262, AG Bonn - GF/CEO: Thomas Rickert</div></span></div><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 12pt; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span target="_blank" class="" style="font-size: 10px; border: medium none; outline: invert none medium;"><br></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><br>Am 07.07.2016 um 02:38 schrieb Trang Nguyen <<a href="mailto:trang.nguyen@icann.org">trang.nguyen@icann.org</a>>:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>James Gannon <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at 2:24 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"Gregory, Holly" <<a href="mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com">holly.gregory@sidley.com</a>>, Thomas Rickert <<a href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net">thomas@rickert.net</a>>, Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>>,
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Bernard Turcotte <<a href="mailto:turcotte.bernard@gmail.com">turcotte.bernard@gmail.com</a>>, Trang Nguyen <<a href="mailto:trang.nguyen@icann.org">trang.nguyen@icann.org</a>>, Yuko Green <<a href="mailto:yuko.green@icann.org">yuko.green@icann.org</a>><br>
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<div>In light of this and some other conversations I think that we need to take at least 24hours to review this comment and ensure that it is a consensus comment of the CCWG before we file it, Im not sure if a 24-48hr delay in the filing of the CCWG comment
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<div>I think that we may have let the AoI slip under our radar a little with all of the parallel work that is going on and we need to make sure that we get this comment correct first time and to do that we nee to do it with a full set of inputs and considerations
by the CCWG members and I don’t feel we have this yet. I know that we are working to tight deadlines, but we need to make sure that we do this right.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday 6 July 2016 at 21:45<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>James Gannon <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"Gregory, Holly" <<a href="mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com">holly.gregory@sidley.com</a>>, Thomas Rickert <<a href="mailto:thomas@rickert.net">thomas@rickert.net</a>>, Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>>,
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">FIRST, I disagree with the second point raised. Substituting "shall" for "may" would incorrectly imply that there is a
<u>requirement</u> that a determination of the global public interest <u>must</u> take place. We have not asked for such a requirement and we have not specified any such requirement, which would render this statement nebulous, ambiguous and undefined. As
currently drafted, <i>if</i> a determination of the global public interest takes place it will be done by the multistakeholder community using a bottom-up multistakeholder process, but there is (properly) no language
<u>requiring</u> that such a determination be made.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">If anyone believes that Final Recommendation 1, para 51
<u>requires</u> the initiation of a process to determine the global public interest, that should either be a part of Work Stream 2 or a huge implementation item for Work Stream 1. As far as I can see, it is neither -- which further proves that changing "may"
to "shall" goes beyond the recommendations of the CCWG.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">SECOND, I also disagree with the third point raised. "Organized" is commonly used in Articles of Incorporation (indeed, in some states, such as Massachusetts, a non-profit corporation files Articles
of Organization rather than Articles of Incorporation). As our counsel pointed out on the last call, the California official form for Articles of Incorporation uses the term "organized." (See attached) It is a best practice to stick closely to the official
language provided by the jurisdiction -- here it is "organized." This is demonstrated in model California Articles of Incorporation prepared by Public Counsel, a pro bono law firm, and available online (see attached or
<a href="http://www.publiccounsel.org/publications?id=0059">http://www.publiccounsel.org/publications?id=0059</a>). It would be far preferable if we were to accept the clarification that "organized" is what's used in this circumstance, rather than to recommend
a change that is at best meaningless and at worst creates the potential for confusion (since one always looks for meaning in any change, and confusion could fill the void created by the meaninglessness of this change). To paraphrase Shakespeare, I don't think
the confusion is in the document, it is in ourselves (or at least in some of us) -- and it would be better for us to adjust our understanding of the document, rather than to adjust the document to suit our misunderstanding.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Of course, the language of the CCWG comment is relatively undemanding -- we only ask that "counsel" (whose counsel? ICANN's?) or "the drafters" (why the difference?) review the language. We
do not justify our quasi-recommendations of changes, other than by saying that we are confused by the word "organized" and by demonstrating that we are confused about what is permissive and what is required.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Frankly, I'm far from sure that this comment is widely supported, other than by apathy or lack of time. I think it would be a mistake for either of these two recommendations (?) to be adopted,
and I hope that counsel/the drafters, upon further review, let the original drafting stand.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The only thing I agree with is the trivial change from "further" to "future," which at least does not make matters worse. This is hardly worth a comment by itself.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">In sum, I reiterate that I would recommend against filing these comments.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best regards,</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I agree. This is a legal document, and we should have the benefit of counsel on this.</div>
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