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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 13, 2016 2:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com>; Rudolph Daniel <rudi.daniel@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> CCWG-Accountability <accountability-cross-community@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Completely agree with Greg.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I object, and I think many others objected, to the idea that advice from inhouse (i.e., ICANN legal) should be the "default." We retained independent counsel to the CCWG for good reasons,
and those reasons are still applicable today. I hope we don't need to rehash that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">We need the continued ability and discretion to go directly to CCWG's counsel. Requesting inhouse to solicit an opinion from an external counsel is not only "cumbersome," it's absolutely antithetical
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I strongly believe that the "default" must be the status quo, i.e., that the CCWG (through reasonable processes) has the ability and discretion to turn to its own counsel. Further, I strongly
believe that CCWG's independent counsel must remain Sidley Austin and Adler & Colvin. They have been up a tremendous learning curve and worked with us every step of the way. It would be folly to cast that aside. It's worth noting that Sidley is a full-service
law firm with offices outside the US in Beijing, Brussels, Geneva, Hong Kong, London, Munich, Shanghai, Singapore, Sydney and Tokyo. I'm confident that Sidley (and Adler) will (a) tell us when they don't have the expertise to help us, and (b) work with us
on working methods to make our use of the firms more cost-effective. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Rudolph Daniel <<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com" target="_blank">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Based on comments on the call today, IMO; A good body of knowledge was accquired on the subject of legal requests in wg1. WG2 legal resources would be both inhouse and external,
from start, We should be much more efficient this time around. Each sub however will have their needs and there may be requests applicable across the subgroups and/or specific to a subgroup.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">So, that suggests close relationship between budget control and the former legal request team [reconfigured and/or augmented] who would have to coordinate requests across ws2 sub <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">What determines the initial choice inhouse/external resources may be a matter of consensus, but it may be prudent to consider the process as [default] inhouse with the flexible
and necessary option of external sources by consensus [as the fog clears so to speak]. I think it may be cumbersome to request inhouse to solicit an opinion from an external, because there may arise an instance where; on the strength of an opinion, [inhouse or
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was unfortunately unable to join the call as I was on a flight at the time, my apologies. I've just had a chance to catch up on the Adobe Connect recording, and I'm happy to reconfirm my willingness and availability to serve as a rapporteur.
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<b>De la part de</b> MSSI Secretariat<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> lundi 11 juillet 2016 19:46<br>
<b>À :</b> CCWG-Accountability<br>
<b>Objet :</b> [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Good day all,</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In preparation for your call,
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw" target="_blank">CCWG Accountability WS2 Meeting #2<span style="text-decoration:none"> </span></a>–</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> Tuesday, 12 July @ 20:00 –
22:00 UTC. Time zone converter <a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+Accountability+Meeting&iso=20160712T20&p1=1440&ah=2" target="_blank">
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<p style="margin-left:.75in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Welcome, SOI</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.75in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Articles of Incorporation : finalize submission </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.75in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Appointment of rapporteurs for WS2 – next steps </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Legal Cost Control Mechanism : initial discussion </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:.75in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">5.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:windowtext">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> AOB</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> Closing</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#262626;background:yellow">Adobe Connect:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#262626;background:yellow"><a href="https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/" target="_blank">https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#262626">Thank you!</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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