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<p>Completely agree with Greg.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/07/2016 19:58, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I object, and I think
many others objected, to the idea that advice from inhouse
(i.e., ICANN legal) should be the "default." We retained
independent counsel to the CCWG for good reasons, and those
reasons are still applicable today. I hope we don't need to
rehash that.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We need the continued
ability and discretion to go directly to CCWG's counsel.
Requesting inhouse to solicit an opinion from an external
counsel is not only "cumbersome," it's absolutely antithetical
to the relationship between CCWG and its independent counsel.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I strongly believe that
the "default" must be the status quo, i.e., that the CCWG
(through reasonable processes) has the ability and discretion
to turn to its own counsel. Further, I strongly believe that
CCWG's independent counsel must remain Sidley Austin and Adler
& Colvin. They have been up a tremendous learning curve
and worked with us every step of the way. It would be folly
to cast that aside. It's worth noting that Sidley is a
full-service law firm with offices outside the US in Beijing,
Brussels, Geneva, Hong Kong, London, Munich, Shanghai,
Singapore, Sydney and Tokyo. I'm confident that Sidley (and
Adler) will (a) tell us when they don't have the expertise to
help us, and (b) work with us on working methods to make our
use of the firms more cost-effective. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:22 PM,
Rudolph Daniel <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com" target="_blank">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Based on
comments on the call today, IMO; A good body of
knowledge was accquired on the subject of legal requests
in wg1. WG2 legal resources would be both inhouse and
external, from start, We should be much more efficient
this time around. Each sub however will have their needs
and there may be requests applicable across the
subgroups and/or specific to a subgroup.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">So,
that suggests close relationship between budget control
and the former legal request team [reconfigured and/or
augmented] who would have to coordinate requests across
ws2 sub </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">groups as
i see it.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'comic sans
ms',sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">What
determines the initial choice inhouse/external resources
may be a matter of consensus, but it may be prudent to
consider the process as [default] inhouse with the
flexible and necessary option of external sources by
consensus [as the fog clears so to speak]. I think it
may be cumbersome to request inhouse to solicit an
opinion from an external, because there may arise an
instance where; on the strength of an opinion,
[inhouse or external] ; a wg2 may wish to reframe and
seek alternative advise elswhere.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:21
PM, Vinay Kesari <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>I was unfortunately unable to join the call
as I was on a flight at the time, my
apologies. I've just had a chance to catch up
on the Adobe Connect recording, and I'm happy
to reconfirm my willingness and availability
to serve as a rapporteur. Also, I agree with
the thrust of Kavouss' comment at 0:24:30, and
affirm my commitment to serve impartially. I
look forward to working with Greg on the
jurisdiction subgroup.</div>
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<div>Separately, on the issue of allocation of
legal requests, I agree that we need further
discussion, and endorse creating an Option 3
based on the points made and the specific
requirements of the different WS2 subgroups.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Vinay</div>
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20:55, Mathieu Weill <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dear
Colleagues, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Attached is a short
set of slides to support our
discussion on agenda item #4</span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Talk to you in a
few hours</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Mathieu</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">De :</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org"
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<b>De la part de</b> MSSI
Secretariat<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> lundi 11
juillet 2016 19:46<br>
<b>À :</b>
CCWG-Accountability<br>
<b>Objet :</b> [CCWG-ACCT]
Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT
Meeting - 12 July 2016 @
20:00 UTC</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">Good day all,</span><span
style="color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">In preparation
for your call, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw"
target="_blank">CCWG
Accountability WS2 Meeting
#2<span
style="text-decoration:none"> </span></a>–</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> Tuesday, 12 July
@ 20:00 – 22:00 UTC. Time
zone converter <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+Accountability+Meeting&iso=20160712T20&p1=1440&ah=2"
target="_blank">here</a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">Proposed
Agenda:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:54.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"><span>1.<span
style="font:7.0pt
"Times New
Roman""> </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"> Welcome, SOI</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:54.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"><span>2.<span
style="font:7.0pt
"Times New
Roman""> </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"> Articles of Incorporation : finalize submission </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:54.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"><span>3.<span
style="font:7.0pt
"Times New
Roman""> </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"> Appointment of rapporteurs for WS2 – next steps </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:54.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"><span>4.<span
style="font:7.0pt
"Times New
Roman""> </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"> Legal Cost Control Mechanism : initial discussion </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:54.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"><span>5.<span
style="font:7.0pt
"Times New
Roman""> </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> AOB</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:54.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"><span>6.<span
style="font:7.0pt
"Times New
Roman""> </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> Closing</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#262626;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US">Adobe Connect:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#262626;background:yellow"
lang="EN-US"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/"
target="_blank">https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/
</a></span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#262626"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#262626"
lang="EN-US">Thank you!</span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#262626"
lang="EN-US">With kind
regards,</span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Boli";color:#2f5597"
lang="EN-US">Brenda Brewer </span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#262626"
lang="EN-US">MSSI Projects
& Operations Assistant</span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#262626"
lang="EN-US">ICANN-<b> </b>Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names
and Numbers </span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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