<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0cm;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0
{mso-style-name:msonormal;
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0cm;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0cm;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;}
span.EstiloCorreo18
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
mso-fareast-language:EN-US;}
@page WordSection1
{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;
margin:70.85pt 3.0cm 70.85pt 3.0cm;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES-AR link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Dear, I agree with the last mail saying: Amen!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And I do not agree with people who think about the last mail without seeing the history. Just that makes us go into vicious circles.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The time make us lose everyone, including me (I am amateur), is very important.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Perhaps the thread of the discussions could be better on a wiki .... not on a mailing list. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And we all say before, we can see in one place.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Alberto Soto<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>De:</span></b><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] <b>En nombre de </b>Karel Douglas<br><b>Enviado el:</b> viernes, 15 de julio de 2016 10:26 p.m.<br><b>Para:</b> avri doria <avri@apc.org><br><b>CC:</b> Accountability Cross Community <accountability-cross-community@icann.org><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>In respect to the matter of legal costs :<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What are the suggestions to keep these costs at bay?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(1) is there a cap on legal cost based on the budget for this upcoming exercise?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(2) If not , can a cap be recommended in terms of the hourly rate payable? (associate vs partner fees) or<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>(3) Is there a standing 'retainer' arrangement in place where there are set legal fees payable every month ( or whatever period ) regardless of the work provided which will control the expenditure. eg there wont be a fee for every single opinion sought.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I missed the earlier discussions on this topic hence I do apologise if this has already be discussed. Thanks<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Warm regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Karel Douglas<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:32 PM, avri doria <<a href="mailto:avri@apc.org" target="_blank">avri@apc.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal>Hi,<br><br>I am sorry you are tired of the conversation as I intend to say someting<br>on the topic.<br><br>Having a default means that extra energy and argument is needed to prove<br>why you are not using the default when you decide that the default just<br>won't do. It means not having to argue strongly about why we do not<br>want to rely on Staff for some particular issue. And those<br>conversations are rarely helpful to solving an issue.<br><br>Being able to choose as appropriate, and taking into account the<br>concerns of money, has a lower barrier to doing what needs to be done.<br>And we don't have to insult anyone in the process.<br><br>I am not on the legal committee, nor do I want to be, but I want them to<br>be free to choose the right legal support without the limitations that<br>having a default brings.<br><br><br>avri<br><br><br><br>On 15-Jul-16 16:18, Alan Greenberg wrote:<br>> I presume that the inten of having a "default" was that it was what we<br>> should use if there were not need for external counsel.<br>><br>> I am tired of endless discussions which do not change anything.<br>> Regardless of which is "default" or exactly what that means, we will<br>> have to make a case-by-case choice.<br>><br>> Alan<br>><br>><br>> At 15/07/2016 02:44 PM, Rudolph Daniel wrote:<br>><br>>> There would seem to be an issue with "default" is there any<br>>> substantive difference if we consider independent legal council<br>>> "default" with the availability of icann inhouse legal services to<br>>> compliment . That would also suggest the need for fiscal restraint<br>>> rd<br>>><br>>><br>>> Rudi Daniel<br>>> /danielcharles consulting<br>>> <<a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingstown-Saint-Vincent-and-the-Grenadines/DanielCharles/153611257984774" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingstown-Saint-Vincent-and-the-Grenadines/DanielCharles/153611257984774</a>><br>>> /*<br>>> *<br>>><br>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:<br>>><br>>><br>>> Hello,<br>>><br>>> By default means always considering use of ICANN legal staff<br>>> first before going independent. I don't think this should require<br>>> a dialout as I think we all agree that CCWG should have access to<br>>> independent legal whenever required.<br>>><br>>> Regards<br>>> Sent from my LG G4<br>>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br>>><br>>> On 15 Jul 2016 19:00, "farzaneh badii" <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:<br>>><br>>> No. Using the independent legal advisers responsibly does not<br>>> mean that we have to have a default approach.<br>>><br>>> I wonder what the next steps would be on this issue. Perhaps<br>>> co-chairs can help us on this ? Are we going to have a call<br>>> and discuss this and come up with a solution?<br>>><br>>> On 15 July 2016 at 19:46, Seun Ojedeji<br>>> <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:<br>>><br>>><br>>> +1 on ensuring access to independent legal adviser<br>>> whenever required by CCWG. This would imply referring to<br>>> internal legal(staff) by default and then call for<br>>> independent legal advice whenever the group sense there<br>>> is need for clarification (or when the issues at hand is<br>>> warranted).<br>>><br>>> Regards<br>>> Sent from my LG G4<br>>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br>>><br>>> On 15 Jul 2016 13:19, "James M. Bladel"<br>>> <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Agree with Keith.<br>>><br>>> CCWG must preserve the use of independent legal<br>>> advisors, but use this responsibly, and with an eye<br>>> on controlling costs. Ultimately, it is gTLD<br>>> registrants picking up the bill, and we need to<br>>> ensure that this work is mindful of their interests.<br>>><br>>> Thanks—<br>>><br>>> J.<br>>><br>>> From:<br>>> <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>>><br>>> on behalf of Keith Drazek <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com">kdrazek@verisign.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>>><br>>> Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 16:53<br>>> To: Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>>>, Matthew Shears<br>>> <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>>>, Greg<br>>> Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> >, Robin Gross<br>>> <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>><br>>> Cc: Accountability Cross Community<br>>> <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT<br>>> Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC<br>>><br>>> Agreed. Access to independent legal advice was never<br>>> in question.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> That said, in the interest of controlling costs, I<br>>> have no problem seeking input from ICANN’s internal<br>>> lawyers on issues that are deemed non-contentious or<br>>> where potential conflicts do not exist.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> I am obligated to report that the Registries<br>>> Stakeholder Group is very, very concerned about the<br>>> cost of legal fees from WS1 and wants to ensure the<br>>> CCWG is efficient with its future spending. I know<br>>> we’re developing cost-control mechanisms for WS2,<br>>> and I’ve advised my SG accordingly, but this will<br>>> continue to receive attention from the RySG.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Holly’s question and the response about budgeting<br>>> vis-à -vis ICANN’s outside counsel was instructive.<br>>> Any and all outside counsel expenses will require<br>>> certification.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> So, let me reiterate my view…the CCWG must have<br>>> acccess to independent legal advice. We must ensure<br>>> costs are controlled and resources are used<br>>> efficiently. If that means selectively turning to<br>>> ICANN’s lawyers on occasion, I can and do support<br>>> that, but not at the expense of our ability to seek<br>>> independent advice.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Regards,<br>>> Keith<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> From:<br>>> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]<br>>> On Behalf Of Phil Corwin<br>>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 5:34 PM<br>>> To: Matthew Shears; Greg Shatan; Robin Gross<br>>> Cc: Accountability Cross Community<br>>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT<br>>> Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Access to independent legal advice for WS2 issues is<br>>> fundamental and should be non-negotiable<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Use your power, Empowered Community<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal<br>>> Virtualaw LLC<br>>> 1155 F Street NW<br>>> Suite 1050<br>>> Washington, DC 20004<br>>> <a href="tel:202-559-8597">202-559-8597</a> <tel:<a href="tel:202-559-8597">202-559-8597</a>>/Direct<br>>> <a href="tel:202-559-8750">202-559-8750</a> <tel:<a href="tel:202-559-8750">202-559-8750</a>>/Fax<br>>> <a href="tel:202-255-6172">202-255-6172</a> <tel:<a href="tel:202-255-6172">202-255-6172</a>>/Cell<br>>><br>>> Twitter: @VlawDC<br>>><br>>> "Luck is the residue of design" --- Branch Rickey<br>>><br>>> <a href="mailto:From%3Amshears@cdt.org">From:mshears@cdt.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>><br>>><br>>> Sent:July 14, 2016 5:26 PM<br>>><br>>> <a href="mailto:To%3Agregshatanipc@gmail.com">To:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>><br>>><br>>> <a href="mailto:Cc%3Aaccountability-cross-community@icann.org">Cc:accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>>><br>>> Subject:Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT<br>>> Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> + 1 well said Robin.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> On 14/07/2016 03:20, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>>><br>>><br>>> Robin,<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Agree 100%.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> Greg<br>>><br>>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016, Robin Gross<br>>> <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> It is simply a non-starter to suggest that CCWG<br>>> would lose its right to independent counsel at<br>>> this stage. I am struggling to understand<br>>> *where* the suggestion to start this debate all<br>>> over again even came from. We have very<br>>> important issues on our agenda for WorkStream 2<br>>> that require independence of legal advice:<br>>> transparency of board deliberations, reforming<br>>> the DIDP, the CEP, etc., which all involve trying<br>>> to reform the policies that were created by the<br>>> in-house legal dept. It is silly to suggest that<br>>> we must seek the legal advice from those who<br>>> created the policies we are trying to reform as<br>>> that would be counter-productive to our goals.<br>>><br>>> Additionally it was revealed in yesterday’s<br>>> calls, that ICANN’s legal dept fees will be<br>>> added to the CCWG’s independent fees, so CCWG<br>>> will be billed for the in-house efforts to resist<br>>> our reforms (and we won’t be given access to<br>>> the legal advice that we would be paying for). I<br>>> think it is extremely important the legal fees<br>>> NOT be conflated together. We need to understand<br>>> what the separate costs are, and we cannot be<br>>> held responsible for spending on Jones Day that<br>>> is outside of our control. Fees that ICANN<br>>> corporate undertakes must be separated from fees<br>>> that CCWG undertakes or the proposed budget<br>>> process makes absolutely no sense, unless it was<br>>> intended to tie CCWG’s hands and give ICANN<br>>> corporate a blank check to spend resisting our<br>>> reforms.<br>>><br>>> This is an important issue that we cannot roll<br>>> over on, or everything else we try to do from<br>>> here on out will be of questionable value. This<br>>> settled debate should not be re-opened, despite<br>>> the huge win for ICANN corporate if were to<br>>> succeed in over-turning this group’s previous<br>>> decision on this critical matter of independence<br>>> of legal advice.<br>>><br>>> Thanks,<br>>> Robin<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> > On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Niels ten Oever<br>>> <<a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net">lists@nielstenoever.net</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net">lists@nielstenoever.net</a>> > wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> > Also +1 to Greg and +1 to James<br>>> ><br>>> > On 07/13/2016 10:50 PM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina wrote:<br>>> >> Thanks, Greg. +1. Fully agree.<br>>> >><br>>> >> CCWG shall retain the ability to ask for<br>>> independent advice. Also agree<br>>> >> that continuing with Sidley Austin and Adler &<br>>> Colvin is the best option.<br>>> >><br>>> >> + 1 also to James previous email about not<br>>> reopening the debate.<br>>> >><br>>> >> Best,<br>>> >><br>>> >> Tanya<br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> On 13/07/16 22:42, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>>> >>> Siva,<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> The reasons are all in the record. Please go<br>>> back and read all of the<br>>> >>> materials and discussions relating to our<br>>> desire and choice to hire<br>>> >>> independent counsel. If you have any<br>>> specific questions after that,<br>>> >>> please ask them.<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> I will briefly say the following:<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> 1. This has nothing to do with competence,<br>>> although being generally<br>>> >>> competent and competent in a specific area<br>>> are two different things.<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> 2. Where we needed first-hand knowledge or<br>>> history, we've turned to<br>>> >>> ICANN legal as one source for such things.<br>>> That won't change. Advice<br>>> >>> is another thing entirely.<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> 3. Ask yourself "Who is ICANN legal's<br>>> client?" and you will have<br>>> >>> answered your own question.<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Greg<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016, Sivasubramanian<br>>> M <<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>>> >>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Greg,<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> ​How valid are your assumptions? What are<br>>> the reasons for this<br>>> >>> unwillingness to make use of ICANN Legal,<br>>> who are competent, have<br>>> >>> first hand knowledge and a complete<br>>> understanding of the legal<br>>> >>> nuances on matters concerning ICANN, may I<br>>> ask?​ Saves money on<br>>> >>> most matters requiring legal advice, and<br>>> should there be areas<br>>> >>> that require specialized advice, we could<br>>> seek external advice.<br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:28 AM, Greg Shatan<br>>> >>> <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>>> >>><br>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>');>> wrote:<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> I object, and I think many others<br>>> objected, to the idea that<br>>> >>> advice from inhouse (i.e., ICANN legal)<br>>> should be the<br>>> >>> "default." We retained independent<br>>> counsel to the CCWG for<br>>> >>> good reason<br>>> >>> ​s​<br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> and those reasons are still applicable<br>>> today. I hope we don't<br>>> >>> need to rehash that.<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> We need the continued ability and<br>>> discretion to go directly to<br>>> >>> CCWG's counsel. Requesting inhouse to<br>>> solicit an opinion from<br>>> >>> an external counsel is not only<br>>> "cumbersome," it's absolutely<br>>> >>> antithetical to the relationship between<br>>> CCWG and its<br>>> >>> independent counsel.<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> I strongly believe that the "default"<br>>> must be the status quo,<br>>> >>> i.e., that the CCWG (through reasonable<br>>> processes) has the<br>>> >>> ability and discretion to turn to its own<br>>> counsel. Further, I<br>>> >>> strongly believe that CCWG's independent<br>>> counsel must remain<br>>> >>> Sidley Austin and Adler & Colvin. They<br>>> have been up a<br>>> >>> tremendous learning curve and worked with<br>>> us every step of the<br>>> >>> way. It would be folly to cast that<br>>> aside. It's worth noting<br>>> >>> that Sidley is a full-service law firm<br>>> with offices outside<br>>> >>> the US in Beijing, Brussels, Geneva, Hong<br>>> Kong, London,<br>>> >>> Munich, Shanghai, Singapore, Sydney and<br>>> Tokyo. I'm confident<br>>> >>> that Sidley (and Adler) will (a) tell us<br>>> when they don't have<br>>> >>> the expertise to help us, and (b) work<br>>> with us on working<br>>> >>> methods to make our use of the firms more<br>>> cost-effective.<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Greg<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Rudolph<br>>> Daniel<br>>> >>> <<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a>><br>>> >>><br>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a>>');>> wrote:<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Based on comments on the call today,<br>>> IMO; A good body of<br>>> >>> knowledge was accquired on the subject<br>>> of legal requests<br>>> >>> in wg1. WG2 legal resources would be<br>>> both inhouse and<br>>> >>> external, from start, We should be<br>>> much more efficient<br>>> >>> this time around. Each sub however<br>>> will have their needs<br>>> >>> and there may be requests applicable<br>>> across the subgroups<br>>> >>> and/or specific to a subgroup.<br>>> >>> So, that suggests close relationship<br>>> between budget<br>>> >>> control and the former legal request<br>>> team [reconfigured<br>>> >>> and/or augmented] who would have to<br>>> coordinate requests<br>>> >>> across ws2 sub<br>>> >>> groups as i see it.<br>>> >>> What determines the initial choice<br>>> inhouse/external<br>>> >>> resources may be a matter of<br>>> consensus, but it may be<br>>> >>> prudent to consider the process as<br>>> [default] inhouse with<br>>> >>> the flexible and necessary option of<br>>> external sources by<br>>> >>> consensus [as the fog clears so to<br>>> speak]. I think it may<br>>> >>> be cumbersome to request inhouse to<br>>> solicit an opinion<br>>> >>> from an external, because there may<br>>> arise an instance<br>>> >>> where; on the strength of an opinion,<br>>> [inhouse or<br>>> >>> external] ; a wg2 may wish to reframe<br>>> and seek<br>>> >>> alternative advise elswhere.<br>>> >>> rd<br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Rudi Daniel<br>>> >>> /danielcharles consulting<br>>> >>><br>>> <<a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingstown-Saint-Vincent-and-the-Grenadines/DanielCharles/153611257984774" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingstown-Saint-Vincent-and-the-Grenadines/DanielCharles/153611257984774</a><br>>> >/<br>>> >>> *<br>>> >>> *<br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Vinay<br>>> Kesari<br>>> >>> <<a href="mailto:vinay.kesari@gmail.com">vinay.kesari@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:vinay.kesari@gmail.com">vinay.kesari@gmail.com</a>><br>>> >>><br>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:vinay.kesari@gmail.com">vinay.kesari@gmail.com</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:vinay.kesari@gmail.com">vinay.kesari@gmail.com</a>>');>><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>> >>> wrote:<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Dear all,<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> I was unfortunately unable to join<br>>> the call as I was<br>>> >>> on a flight at the time, my<br>>> apologies. I've just had a<br>>> >>> chance to catch up on the Adobe<br>>> Connect recording, and<br>>> >>> I'm happy to reconfirm my<br>>> willingness and availability<br>>> >>> to serve as a rapporteur. Also, I<br>>> agree with the<br>>> >>> thrust of Kavouss' comment at<br>>> 0:24:30, and affirm my<br>>> >>> commitment to serve impartially. I<br>>> look forward to<br>>> >>> working with Greg on the<br>>> jurisdiction subgroup.<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Separately, on the issue of<br>>> allocation of legal<br>>> >>> requests, I agree that we need<br>>> further discussion, and<br>>> >>> endorse creating an Option 3 based<br>>> on the points made<br>>> >>> and the specific requirements of<br>>> the different WS2<br>>> >>> subgroups.<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Regards,<br>>> >>> Vinay<br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> On 12 July 2016 at 20:55, Mathieu Weill<br>>> >>> <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>><br>>> >>><br>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>>');>><br>>> >>> wrote:<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Dear Colleagues,<br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Attached is a short set of<br>>> slides to support our<br>>> >>> discussion on agenda item #4<br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Talk to you in a few hours<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Mathieu<br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> *De<br>>> :*<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>><br>>> >>><br>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>>');><br>>> >>><br>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>><br>>> >>><br>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>>');>]<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>>> >>> *De la part de* MSSI Secretariat<br>>> >>> *Envoyé :* lundi 11 juillet<br>>> 2016 19:46<br>>> >>> *À :* CCWG-Accountability<br>>> >>> *Objet :* [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed<br>>> Agenda CCWG ACCT<br>>> >>> Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC<br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Good day all,<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> In preparation for your call,<br>>> CCWG Accountability<br>>> >>> WS2 Meeting #2<br>>> >>><br>>> <<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw</a><br>>> <<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw</a>>>– Tuesday,<br>>> >>> 12 July @ 20:00 – 22:00 UTC.<br>>> Time zone converter<br>>> >>> here<br>>> >>><br>>> <<a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+Accountability+Meeting&iso=20160712T20&p1=1440&ah=2" target="_blank">http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+Accountability+Meeting&iso=20160712T20&p1=1440&ah=2</a><br>>> ><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> *Proposed Agenda:*<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> 1. Welcome, SOI<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> 2.<br>>> >>> Articles of Incorporation :<br>>> finalize submission<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> 3.<br>>> >>> Appointment of rapporteurs for<br>>> WS2 – next steps<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> 4.<br>>> >>> Legal Cost Control Mechanism :<br>>> initial discussion<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> 5. AOB<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> 6. Closing<br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> *Adobe Connect:<br>>> >>><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>>> *<a href="https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/" target="_blank">https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/</a><br>>> >>><br>>> <<a href="https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/" target="_blank">https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/</a>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Thank you!<br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> With kind regards,<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> Brenda Brewer<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> MSSI Projects & Operations Assistant<br>>> >>><br>>> >>> ICANN-**Internet Corporation for<br>>> Assigned Names<br>>> >>> and Numbers<br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> >>> Accountability-Cross-Community<br>>> mailing list<br>>> >>><br>>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br>>> >>><br>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>>');><br>>> >>><br>>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> >>> Accountability-Cross-Community<br>>> mailing list<br>>> >>><br>>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br>>> >>><br>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>>');><br>>> >>><br>>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> >>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing<br>>> list<br>>> >>><br>>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br>>> >>><br>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>>');><br>>> >>><br>>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> >>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>>> >>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br>>> >>><br>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>>');><br>>> >>><br>>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> --<br>>> >>> Sivasubramanian M<br>>> <<a href="https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/sivasubramanian.muthusamy</a>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>><br>>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>>> >>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>>> >>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br>>> >>><br>>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>>><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> _______________________________________________<br>>> >> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>>> >> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br>>> >><br>>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>>><br>>> >><br>>> ><br>>> > --<br>>> > Niels ten Oever<br>>> > Head of Digital<br>>> ><br>>> > Article 19<br>>> > <a href="http://www.article19.org" target="_blank">www.article19.org</a> <<a href="http://www.article19.org" target="_blank">http://www.article19.org</a>><br>>> ><br>>> > PGP fingerprint 8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4<br>>> > 678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9<br>>> > _______________________________________________<br>>> > Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>>> > <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br>>> ><br>>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br>>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>><br>>><br>>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>>><br>>><br>>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br>>><br>>><br>>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> --<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> --------------<br>>><br>>><br>>> Matthew Shears<br>>><br>>><br>>> Global Internet Policy and Human Rights<br>>><br>>><br>>> Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)<br>>><br>>><br>>> + 44 771 2472987 <<a href="tel:%2B%2044%20771%202472987">tel:%2B%2044%20771%202472987</a>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast<br>>> antivirus software.<br>>> <a href="http://www.avast.com" target="_blank">www.avast.com</a> <<a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" target="_blank">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> No virus found in this message.<br>>> Checked by AVG - <a href="http://www.avg.com" target="_blank">www.avg.com</a> <<a href="http://www.avg.com" target="_blank">http://www.avg.com</a>><br>>> Version: 2016.0.7497 / Virus Database: 4613/12558 -<br>>> Release Date: 07/04/16<br>>> Internal Virus Database is out of date.<br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br>>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br>>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> --<br>>> Farzaneh<br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a>><br>>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>>><br>>><br>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit<br>>> Content-Disposition: inline<br>>> X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics:<br>>><br>>> 1;SN1PR0301MB2030;9:p4t8tZsYRMEtnIUlXqtpL2QarivWIiCQ1uAWlQ043vv01vxVWJDfUZbPtSDBozyxURh8Wbdz4YdXFUpyO0Nz8WxZ5ZJap793kqg7QQbkQ+LX1BU1qyGxTIyBzVPn4nsdkmJgZTVDHksNzyRWon3iI3zeZQoTrU8NaiOmgzJpztPH5l6FxKy5Z+1L1Q/eyTFBlflFuAXl8sdo/cWNX3fT4Q==<br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><br><br><br>---<br>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.<br><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus" target="_blank">https://www.avast.com/antivirus</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div>
<br /><br />
<hr style='border:none; color:#909090; background-color:#B0B0B0; height: 1px; width: 99%;' />
<table style='border-collapse:collapse;border:none;'>
<tr>
<td style='border:none;padding:0px 15px 0px 8px'>
<a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus">
<img border=0 src="http://static.avast.com/emails/avast-mail-stamp.png" alt="Avast logo" />
</a>
</td>
<td>
<p style='color:#3d4d5a; font-family:"Calibri","Verdana","Arial","Helvetica"; font-size:12pt;'>
El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrónico en busca de virus.
<br><a href="https://www.avast.com/antivirus">www.avast.com</a>
</p>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
<br />
</body></html>