<div dir="ltr">In respect to the matter of legal costs :<div><br></div><div>What are the suggestions to keep these costs at bay?<br><div><br></div><div>(1) is there a cap on legal cost based on the budget for this upcoming exercise?</div><div>(2) If not , can a cap be recommended in terms of the hourly rate payable? (associate vs partner fees) or</div><div>(3) Is there a standing 'retainer' arrangement in place where there are set legal fees payable every month ( or whatever period ) regardless of the work provided which will control the expenditure. eg there wont be a fee for every single opinion sought.</div><div><br></div><div>I missed the earlier discussions on this topic hence I do apologise if this has already be discussed. Thanks</div><div><br></div><div>Warm regards</div><div><br></div><div>Karel Douglas</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:32 PM, avri doria <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avri@apc.org" target="_blank">avri@apc.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
I am sorry you are tired of the conversation as I intend to say someting<br>
on the topic.<br>
<br>
Having a default means that extra energy and argument is needed to prove<br>
why you are not using the default when you decide that the default just<br>
won't do. It means not having to argue strongly about why we do not<br>
want to rely on Staff for some particular issue. And those<br>
conversations are rarely helpful to solving an issue.<br>
<br>
Being able to choose as appropriate, and taking into account the<br>
concerns of money, has a lower barrier to doing what needs to be done.<br>
And we don't have to insult anyone in the process.<br>
<br>
I am not on the legal committee, nor do I want to be, but I want them to<br>
be free to choose the right legal support without the limitations that<br>
having a default brings.<br>
<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<span class=""><br>
<br>
<br>
On 15-Jul-16 16:18, Alan Greenberg wrote:<br>
> I presume that the inten of having a "default" was that it was what we<br>
> should use if there were not need for external counsel.<br>
><br>
> I am tired of endless discussions which do not change anything.<br>
> Regardless of which is "default" or exactly what that means, we will<br>
> have to make a case-by-case choice.<br>
><br>
> Alan<br>
><br>
><br>
> At 15/07/2016 02:44 PM, Rudolph Daniel wrote:<br>
><br>
>> There would seem to be an issue with "default" is there any<br>
>> substantive difference if we consider independent legal council<br>
>> "default" with the availability of icann inhouse legal services to<br>
>> compliment . That would also suggest the need for fiscal restraint<br>
>> rd<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Rudi Daniel<br>
</span>>> /danielcharles consulting<br>
>> <<a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingstown-Saint-Vincent-and-the-Grenadines/DanielCharles/153611257984774" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingstown-Saint-Vincent-and-the-Grenadines/DanielCharles/153611257984774</a>><br>
>> /*<br>
>> *<br>
<span class="">>><br>
>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a><br>
</span><span class="">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hello,<br>
>><br>
>> By default means always considering use of ICANN legal staff<br>
>> first before going independent. I don't think this should require<br>
>> a dialout as I think we all agree that CCWG should have access to<br>
>> independent legal whenever required.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards<br>
>> Sent from my LG G4<br>
>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br>
>><br>
>> On 15 Jul 2016 19:00, "farzaneh badii" <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a><br>
</span><span class="">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> No. Using the independent legal advisers responsibly does not<br>
>> mean that we have to have a default approach.<br>
>><br>
>> I wonder what the next steps would be on this issue. Perhaps<br>
>> co-chairs can help us on this ? Are we going to have a call<br>
>> and discuss this and come up with a solution?<br>
>><br>
>> On 15 July 2016 at 19:46, Seun Ojedeji<br>
</span><span class="">>> <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> +1 on ensuring access to independent legal adviser<br>
>> whenever required by CCWG. This would imply referring to<br>
>> internal legal(staff) by default and then call for<br>
>> independent legal advice whenever the group sense there<br>
>> is need for clarification (or when the issues at hand is<br>
>> warranted).<br>
>><br>
>> Regards<br>
>> Sent from my LG G4<br>
>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br>
>><br>
>> On 15 Jul 2016 13:19, "James M. Bladel"<br>
</span><span class="">>> <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Agree with Keith.<br>
>><br>
>> CCWG must preserve the use of independent legal<br>
>> advisors, but use this responsibly, and with an eye<br>
>> on controlling costs. Ultimately, it is gTLD<br>
>> registrants picking up the bill, and we need to<br>
>> ensure that this work is mindful of their interests.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks—<br>
>><br>
>> J.<br>
>><br>
>> From:<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
</span>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>>><br>
<span class="">>> on behalf of Keith Drazek <<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com">kdrazek@verisign.com</a><br>
</span>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>>><br>
<span class="">>> Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 16:53<br>
>> To: Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a><br>
</span>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>>>, Matthew Shears<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>>>, Greg<br>
>> Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> >, Robin Gross<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>><br>
<span class="">>> Cc: Accountability Cross Community<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
</span>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>>><br>
<div><div class="h5">>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT<br>
>> Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC<br>
>><br>
>> Agreed. Access to independent legal advice was never<br>
>> in question.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> That said, in the interest of controlling costs, I<br>
>> have no problem seeking input from ICANN’s internal<br>
>> lawyers on issues that are deemed non-contentious or<br>
>> where potential conflicts do not exist.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I am obligated to report that the Registries<br>
>> Stakeholder Group is very, very concerned about the<br>
>> cost of legal fees from WS1 and wants to ensure the<br>
>> CCWG is efficient with its future spending. I know<br>
>> we’re developing cost-control mechanisms for WS2,<br>
>> and I’ve advised my SG accordingly, but this will<br>
>> continue to receive attention from the RySG.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Holly’s question and the response about budgeting<br>
>> vis-à -vis ICANN’s outside counsel was instructive.<br>
>> Any and all outside counsel expenses will require<br>
>> certification.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> So, let me reiterate my view…the CCWG must have<br>
>> acccess to independent legal advice. We must ensure<br>
>> costs are controlled and resources are used<br>
>> efficiently. If that means selectively turning to<br>
>> ICANN’s lawyers on occasion, I can and do support<br>
>> that, but not at the expense of our ability to seek<br>
>> independent advice.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Keith<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> From:<br>
>> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>><br>
</div></div>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]<br>
<span class="">>> On Behalf Of Phil Corwin<br>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 5:34 PM<br>
>> To: Matthew Shears; Greg Shatan; Robin Gross<br>
>> Cc: Accountability Cross Community<br>
>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT<br>
>> Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Access to independent legal advice for WS2 issues is<br>
>> fundamental and should be non-negotiable<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Use your power, Empowered Community<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal<br>
>> Virtualaw LLC<br>
>> 1155 F Street NW<br>
>> Suite 1050<br>
>> Washington, DC 20004<br>
</span>>> <a href="tel:202-559-8597" value="+12025598597">202-559-8597</a> <tel:<a href="tel:202-559-8597" value="+12025598597">202-559-8597</a>>/Direct<br>
>> <a href="tel:202-559-8750" value="+12025598750">202-559-8750</a> <tel:<a href="tel:202-559-8750" value="+12025598750">202-559-8750</a>>/Fax<br>
>> <a href="tel:202-255-6172" value="+12022556172">202-255-6172</a> <tel:<a href="tel:202-255-6172" value="+12022556172">202-255-6172</a>>/Cell<br>
<span class="">>><br>
>> Twitter: @VlawDC<br>
>><br>
>> "Luck is the residue of design" --- Branch Rickey<br>
>><br>
</span>>> <a href="mailto:From%3Amshears@cdt.org">From:mshears@cdt.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>><br>
<span class="">>><br>
>> Sent:July 14, 2016 5:26 PM<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="mailto:To%3Agregshatanipc@gmail.com">To:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>
</span>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>><br>
>><br>
>> <a href="mailto:Cc%3Aaccountability-cross-community@icann.org">Cc:accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<span class="">>><br>
>> Subject:Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT<br>
>> Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> + 1 well said Robin.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 14/07/2016 03:20, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Robin,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Agree 100%.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Greg<br>
>><br>
>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016, Robin Gross<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a><br>
</span><div><div class="h5">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> It is simply a non-starter to suggest that CCWG<br>
>> would lose its right to independent counsel at<br>
>> this stage. I am struggling to understand<br>
>> *where* the suggestion to start this debate all<br>
>> over again even came from. We have very<br>
>> important issues on our agenda for WorkStream 2<br>
>> that require independence of legal advice:<br>
>> transparency of board deliberations, reforming<br>
>> the DIDP, the CEP, etc., which all involve trying<br>
>> to reform the policies that were created by the<br>
>> in-house legal dept. It is silly to suggest that<br>
>> we must seek the legal advice from those who<br>
>> created the policies we are trying to reform as<br>
>> that would be counter-productive to our goals.<br>
>><br>
>> Additionally it was revealed in yesterday’s<br>
>> calls, that ICANN’s legal dept fees will be<br>
>> added to the CCWG’s independent fees, so CCWG<br>
>> will be billed for the in-house efforts to resist<br>
>> our reforms (and we won’t be given access to<br>
>> the legal advice that we would be paying for). I<br>
>> think it is extremely important the legal fees<br>
>> NOT be conflated together. We need to understand<br>
>> what the separate costs are, and we cannot be<br>
>> held responsible for spending on Jones Day that<br>
>> is outside of our control. Fees that ICANN<br>
>> corporate undertakes must be separated from fees<br>
>> that CCWG undertakes or the proposed budget<br>
>> process makes absolutely no sense, unless it was<br>
>> intended to tie CCWG’s hands and give ICANN<br>
>> corporate a blank check to spend resisting our<br>
>> reforms.<br>
>><br>
>> This is an important issue that we cannot roll<br>
>> over on, or everything else we try to do from<br>
>> here on out will be of questionable value. This<br>
>> settled debate should not be re-opened, despite<br>
>> the huge win for ICANN corporate if were to<br>
>> succeed in over-turning this group’s previous<br>
>> decision on this critical matter of independence<br>
>> of legal advice.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Robin<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Niels ten Oever<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net">lists@nielstenoever.net</a><br>
</div></div><div><div class="h5">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net">lists@nielstenoever.net</a>> > wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Also +1 to Greg and +1 to James<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 07/13/2016 10:50 PM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina wrote:<br>
>> >> Thanks, Greg. +1. Fully agree.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> CCWG shall retain the ability to ask for<br>
>> independent advice. Also agree<br>
>> >> that continuing with Sidley Austin and Adler &<br>
>> Colvin is the best option.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> + 1 also to James previous email about not<br>
>> reopening the debate.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Best,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Tanya<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On 13/07/16 22:42, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
>> >>> Siva,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> The reasons are all in the record. Please go<br>
>> back and read all of the<br>
>> >>> materials and discussions relating to our<br>
>> desire and choice to hire<br>
>> >>> independent counsel. If you have any<br>
>> specific questions after that,<br>
>> >>> please ask them.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I will briefly say the following:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> 1. This has nothing to do with competence,<br>
>> although being generally<br>
>> >>> competent and competent in a specific area<br>
>> are two different things.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> 2. Where we needed first-hand knowledge or<br>
>> history, we've turned to<br>
>> >>> ICANN legal as one source for such things.<br>
>> That won't change. Advice<br>
>> >>> is another thing entirely.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> 3. Ask yourself "Who is ICANN legal's<br>
>> client?" and you will have<br>
>> >>> answered your own question.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Greg<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016, Sivasubramanian<br>
>> M <<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>><br>
</div></div>>> >>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a><br>
<span class="">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Greg,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> ​How valid are your assumptions? What are<br>
>> the reasons for this<br>
>> >>> unwillingness to make use of ICANN Legal,<br>
>> who are competent, have<br>
>> >>> first hand knowledge and a complete<br>
>> understanding of the legal<br>
>> >>> nuances on matters concerning ICANN, may I<br>
>> ask?​ Saves money on<br>
>> >>> most matters requiring legal advice, and<br>
>> should there be areas<br>
>> >>> that require specialized advice, we could<br>
>> seek external advice.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:28 AM, Greg Shatan<br>
>> >>> <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>
</span>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span class="">>> >>><br>
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>
</span><div><div class="h5">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>');>> wrote:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I object, and I think many others<br>
>> objected, to the idea that<br>
>> >>> advice from inhouse (i.e., ICANN legal)<br>
>> should be the<br>
>> >>> "default." We retained independent<br>
>> counsel to the CCWG for<br>
>> >>> good reason<br>
>> >>> ​s​<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> and those reasons are still applicable<br>
>> today. I hope we don't<br>
>> >>> need to rehash that.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> We need the continued ability and<br>
>> discretion to go directly to<br>
>> >>> CCWG's counsel. Requesting inhouse to<br>
>> solicit an opinion from<br>
>> >>> an external counsel is not only<br>
>> "cumbersome," it's absolutely<br>
>> >>> antithetical to the relationship between<br>
>> CCWG and its<br>
>> >>> independent counsel.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I strongly believe that the "default"<br>
>> must be the status quo,<br>
>> >>> i.e., that the CCWG (through reasonable<br>
>> processes) has the<br>
>> >>> ability and discretion to turn to its own<br>
>> counsel. Further, I<br>
>> >>> strongly believe that CCWG's independent<br>
>> counsel must remain<br>
>> >>> Sidley Austin and Adler & Colvin. They<br>
>> have been up a<br>
>> >>> tremendous learning curve and worked with<br>
>> us every step of the<br>
>> >>> way. It would be folly to cast that<br>
>> aside. It's worth noting<br>
>> >>> that Sidley is a full-service law firm<br>
>> with offices outside<br>
>> >>> the US in Beijing, Brussels, Geneva, Hong<br>
>> Kong, London,<br>
>> >>> Munich, Shanghai, Singapore, Sydney and<br>
>> Tokyo. I'm confident<br>
>> >>> that Sidley (and Adler) will (a) tell us<br>
>> when they don't have<br>
>> >>> the expertise to help us, and (b) work<br>
>> with us on working<br>
>> >>> methods to make our use of the firms more<br>
>> cost-effective.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Greg<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Rudolph<br>
>> Daniel<br>
>> >>> <<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a><br>
</div></div>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span class="">>> >>><br>
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a><br>
</span><div><div class="h5">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a>>');>> wrote:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Based on comments on the call today,<br>
>> IMO; A good body of<br>
>> >>> knowledge was accquired on the subject<br>
>> of legal requests<br>
>> >>> in wg1. WG2 legal resources would be<br>
>> both inhouse and<br>
>> >>> external, from start, We should be<br>
>> much more efficient<br>
>> >>> this time around. Each sub however<br>
>> will have their needs<br>
>> >>> and there may be requests applicable<br>
>> across the subgroups<br>
>> >>> and/or specific to a subgroup.<br>
>> >>> So, that suggests close relationship<br>
>> between budget<br>
>> >>> control and the former legal request<br>
>> team [reconfigured<br>
>> >>> and/or augmented] who would have to<br>
>> coordinate requests<br>
>> >>> across ws2 sub<br>
>> >>> groups as i see it.<br>
>> >>> What determines the initial choice<br>
>> inhouse/external<br>
>> >>> resources may be a matter of<br>
>> consensus, but it may be<br>
>> >>> prudent to consider the process as<br>
>> [default] inhouse with<br>
>> >>> the flexible and necessary option of<br>
>> external sources by<br>
>> >>> consensus [as the fog clears so to<br>
>> speak]. I think it may<br>
>> >>> be cumbersome to request inhouse to<br>
>> solicit an opinion<br>
>> >>> from an external, because there may<br>
>> arise an instance<br>
>> >>> where; on the strength of an opinion,<br>
>> [inhouse or<br>
>> >>> external] ; a wg2 may wish to reframe<br>
>> and seek<br>
>> >>> alternative advise elswhere.<br>
>> >>> rd<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Rudi Daniel<br>
>> >>> /danielcharles consulting<br>
>> >>><br>
>> <<a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingstown-Saint-Vincent-and-the-Grenadines/DanielCharles/153611257984774" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingstown-Saint-Vincent-and-the-Grenadines/DanielCharles/153611257984774</a><br>
>> >/<br>
>> >>> *<br>
>> >>> *<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Vinay<br>
>> Kesari<br>
>> >>> <<a href="mailto:vinay.kesari@gmail.com">vinay.kesari@gmail.com</a><br>
</div></div>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:vinay.kesari@gmail.com">vinay.kesari@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span class="">>> >>><br>
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:vinay.kesari@gmail.com">vinay.kesari@gmail.com</a><br>
</span>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:vinay.kesari@gmail.com">vinay.kesari@gmail.com</a>>');>><br>
<div><div class="h5">>> >>> wrote:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Dear all,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I was unfortunately unable to join<br>
>> the call as I was<br>
>> >>> on a flight at the time, my<br>
>> apologies. I've just had a<br>
>> >>> chance to catch up on the Adobe<br>
>> Connect recording, and<br>
>> >>> I'm happy to reconfirm my<br>
>> willingness and availability<br>
>> >>> to serve as a rapporteur. Also, I<br>
>> agree with the<br>
>> >>> thrust of Kavouss' comment at<br>
>> 0:24:30, and affirm my<br>
>> >>> commitment to serve impartially. I<br>
>> look forward to<br>
>> >>> working with Greg on the<br>
>> jurisdiction subgroup.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Separately, on the issue of<br>
>> allocation of legal<br>
>> >>> requests, I agree that we need<br>
>> further discussion, and<br>
>> >>> endorse creating an Option 3 based<br>
>> on the points made<br>
>> >>> and the specific requirements of<br>
>> the different WS2<br>
>> >>> subgroups.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Regards,<br>
>> >>> Vinay<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On 12 July 2016 at 20:55, Mathieu Weill<br>
>> >>> <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a><br>
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<span class="">>> >>> wrote:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Dear Colleagues,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Attached is a short set of<br>
>> slides to support our<br>
>> >>> discussion on agenda item #4<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Talk to you in a few hours<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Mathieu<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> *De<br>
>> :*<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
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<div><div class="h5">>> >>> *De la part de* MSSI Secretariat<br>
>> >>> *Envoyé :* lundi 11 juillet<br>
>> 2016 19:46<br>
>> >>> *À :* CCWG-Accountability<br>
>> >>> *Objet :* [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed<br>
>> Agenda CCWG ACCT<br>
>> >>> Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Good day all,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> In preparation for your call,<br>
>> CCWG Accountability<br>
>> >>> WS2 Meeting #2<br>
>> >>><br>
>> <<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw</a>>>– Tuesday,<br>
>> >>> 12 July @ 20:00 – 22:00 UTC.<br>
>> Time zone converter<br>
>> >>> here<br>
>> >>><br>
>> <<a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+Accountability+Meeting&iso=20160712T20&p1=1440&ah=2" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+Accountability+Meeting&iso=20160712T20&p1=1440&ah=2</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> *Proposed Agenda:*<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> 1. Welcome, SOI<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> 2.<br>
>> >>> Articles of Incorporation :<br>
>> finalize submission<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> 3.<br>
>> >>> Appointment of rapporteurs for<br>
>> WS2 – next steps<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> 4.<br>
>> >>> Legal Cost Control Mechanism :<br>
>> initial discussion<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> 5. AOB<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> 6. Closing<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> *Adobe Connect:<br>
>> >>><br>
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>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Thank you!<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> With kind regards,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Brenda Brewer<br>
>> >>><br>
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>> >>><br>
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