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I presume that the inten of having a "default" was that it was
what we should use if there were not need for external counsel.<br><br>
I am tired of endless discussions which do not change anything.
Regardless of which is "default" or exactly what that means, we
will have to make a case-by-case choice.<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
<br>
At 15/07/2016 02:44 PM, Rudolph Daniel wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">There would seem to be an issue
with "default" is there any substantive difference if we
consider independent legal council "default" with the
availability of icann inhouse legal services to compliment . That would
also suggest the need for fiscal restraint <br>
rd<br><br>
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On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Seun Ojedeji
<<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>
> wrote:<br>
<dl><br>
<dd>Hello,<br><br>
<dd>By default means always considering use of ICANN legal staff first
before going independent. I don't think this should require a dialout as
I think we all agree that CCWG should have access to independent legal
whenever required.<br><br>
<dd>Regards<br>
<dd>Sent from my LG G4<br>
<dd>Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br><br>
<dd>On 15 Jul 2016 19:00, "farzaneh badii"
<<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>
> wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>No. Using the independent legal advisers responsibly</u> does not
mean that we have to have a default approach.<br><br>
<dd>I wonder what the next steps would be on this issue. Perhaps
co-chairs can help us on this ? Are we going to have a call and discuss
this and come up with a solution? <br><br>
<dd>On 15 July 2016 at 19:46, Seun Ojedeji
<<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>
> wrote:<br>
<dl><br>
<dd>+1 on ensuring access to independent legal adviser whenever required
by CCWG. This would imply referring to internal legal(staff) by default
and then call for independent legal advice whenever the group sense there
is need for clarification (or when the issues at hand is warranted).
<br><br>
<dd>Regards<br>
<dd>Sent from my LG G4<br>
<dd>Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br><br>
<dd>On 15 Jul 2016 13:19, "James M. Bladel"
<<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Agree with Keith. <br><br>
<dd>CCWG must preserve the use of independent legal advisors, but use
this responsibly, and with an eye on controlling costs. Ultimately,
it is gTLD registrants picking up the bill, and we need to ensure that
this work is mindful of their interests.<br><br>
<dd>Thanks—<br><br>
<dd>J.<br><br>
<dd>From:
<<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">
accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of
Keith Drazek
<<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>><br>
<dd>Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 16:53 <br>
<dd>To: Phil Corwin
<<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>>, Matthew
Shears <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>>, Greg
Shatan
<<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>
>, Robin Gross
<<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>><br>
<dd>Cc: Accountability Cross Community
<<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">
accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<dd>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT Meeting - 12 July
2016 @ 20:00 UTC<br><br>
<dd>Agreed. Access to independent legal advice was never in question.
<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>That said, in the interest of controlling costs, I have no problem
seeking input from ICANN’s internal lawyers on issues that are deemed
non-contentious or where potential conflicts do not exist.<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>I am obligated to report that the Registries Stakeholder Group is
very, very concerned about the cost of legal fees from WS1 and wants to
ensure the CCWG is efficient with its future spending. I know we’re
developing cost-control mechanisms for WS2, and I’ve advised my SG
accordingly, but this will continue to receive attention from the RySG.
<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Holly’s question and the response about budgeting vis-à -vis
ICANN’s outside counsel was instructive. Any and all outside counsel
expenses will require certification. <br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>So, let me reiterate my view…the CCWG must have acccess to
independent legal advice. We must ensure costs are controlled and
resources are used efficiently. If that means selectively turning to
ICANN’s lawyers on occasion, I can and do support that, but not at the
expense of our ability to seek independent advice.<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Regards,<br>
<dd>Keith<br><br>
<dd>
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<dd>From:</b>
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accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>
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</b>Phil Corwin<br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 14, 2016 5:34 PM<br>
<dd>To:</b> Matthew Shears; Greg Shatan; Robin Gross<br>
<dd>Cc:</b> Accountability Cross Community<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT Meeting - 12
July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Access to independent legal advice for WS2 issues is fundamental and
should be non-negotiable<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Use your power, Empowered Community<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
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<dd>"Luck is the residue of design" --- Branch Rickey<br><br>
<dd>From:</b><a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a><br><br>
<dd>Sent:</b>July 14, 2016 5:26 PM<br><br>
<dd>To:</b><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">
gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a><br><br>
<dd>Cc:</b><a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">
accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br><br>
<dd>Subject:</b>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT Meeting - 12
July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>+ 1 well said Robin.<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>On 14/07/2016 03:20, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
<dl><br>
<dd>Robin, <br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Agree 100%.<br><br>
<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Greg<br><br>
<dd>On Wednesday, July 13, 2016, Robin Gross
<<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>
wrote:<br><br>
<dd>It is simply a non-starter to suggest that CCWG would lose its right
to independent counsel at this stage. I am struggling to understand
*where* the suggestion to start this debate all over again even came
from. We have very important issues on our agenda for WorkStream 2
that require independence of legal advice: transparency of board
deliberations, reforming the DIDP, the CEP, etc., which all involve
trying to reform the policies that were created by the in-house legal
dept. It is silly to suggest that we must seek the legal advice
from those who created the policies we are trying to reform as that would
be counter-productive to our goals.<br><br>
<dd>Additionally it was revealed in yesterday’s calls, that ICANN’s
legal dept fees will be added to the CCWG’s independent fees, so CCWG
will be billed for the in-house efforts to resist our reforms (and we
won’t be given access to the legal advice that we would be paying
for). I think it is extremely important the legal fees NOT be
conflated together. We need to understand what the separate costs
are, and we cannot be held responsible for spending on Jones Day that is
outside of our control. Fees that ICANN corporate undertakes must
be separated from fees that CCWG undertakes or the proposed budget
process makes absolutely no sense, unless it was intended to tie CCWG’s
hands and give ICANN corporate a blank check to spend resisting our
reforms.<br><br>
<dd>This is an important issue that we cannot roll over on, or everything
else we try to do from here on out will be of questionable value.
This settled debate should not be re-opened, despite the huge win for
ICANN corporate if were to succeed in over-turning this group’s
previous decision on this critical matter of independence of legal
advice.<br><br>
<dd>Thanks,<br>
<dd>Robin<br><br>
<br><br>
<dd>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Niels ten Oever
<<a href="mailto:lists@nielstenoever.net">lists@nielstenoever.net</a>
> wrote:<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>> Also +1 to Greg and +1 to James<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>> On 07/13/2016 10:50 PM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina wrote:<br>
<dd>>> Thanks, Greg. +1. Fully agree.<br>
<dd>>><br>
<dd>>> CCWG shall retain the ability to ask for independent advice.
Also agree<br>
<dd>>> that continuing with Sidley Austin and Adler & Colvin is
the best option.<br>
<dd>>><br>
<dd>>> + 1 also to James previous email about not reopening the
debate.<br>
<dd>>><br>
<dd>>> Best,<br>
<dd>>><br>
<dd>>> Tanya<br>
<dd>>><br>
<dd>>><br>
<dd>>> On 13/07/16 22:42, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
<dd>>>> Siva,<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> The reasons are all in the record. Please go back
and read all of the<br>
<dd>>>> materials and discussions relating to our desire and
choice to hire<br>
<dd>>>> independent counsel. If you have any specific
questions after that,<br>
<dd>>>> please ask them.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> I will briefly say the following:<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> 1. This has nothing to do with competence, although
being generally<br>
<dd>>>> competent and competent in a specific area are two
different things.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> 2. Where we needed first-hand knowledge or history,
we've turned to<br>
<dd>>>> ICANN legal as one source for such things. That won't
change. Advice<br>
<dd>>>> is another thing entirely.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> 3. Ask yourself "Who is ICANN legal's client?"
and you will have<br>
<dd>>>> answered your own question.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> Greg<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016, Sivasubramanian M
<<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com">isolatedn@gmail.com</a><br>
<dd>>>>
<<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com" eudora="autourl">
mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> Greg,<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> ​How valid are your assumptions? What are the
reasons for this<br>
<dd>>>> unwillingness to make use of ICANN Legal, who
are competent, have<br>
<dd>>>> first hand knowledge and a complete
understanding of the legal<br>
<dd>>>> nuances on matters concerning ICANN, may I
ask?​ Saves money on<br>
<dd>>>> most matters requiring legal advice, and should
there be areas<br>
<dd>>>> that require specialized advice, we could seek
external advice.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:28 AM, Greg
Shatan<br>
<dd>>>>
<<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>
<br>
<dd>>>>
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">
gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>');>> wrote:<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> I object, and I think many others
objected, to the idea that<br>
<dd>>>> advice from inhouse (i.e., ICANN
legal) should be the<br>
<dd>>>> "default." We
retained independent counsel to the CCWG for<br>
<dd>>>> good reason<br>
<dd>>>> ​s​<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> and those reasons are still
applicable today. I hope we don't<br>
<dd>>>> need to rehash that.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> We need the continued ability and
discretion to go directly to<br>
<dd>>>> CCWG's counsel. Requesting
inhouse to solicit an opinion from<br>
<dd>>>> an external counsel is not only
"cumbersome," it's absolutely<br>
<dd>>>> antithetical to the relationship
between CCWG and its<br>
<dd>>>> independent counsel.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> I strongly believe that the
"default" must be the status quo,<br>
<dd>>>> i.e., that the CCWG (through
reasonable processes) has the<br>
<dd>>>> ability and discretion to turn to
its own counsel. Further, I<br>
<dd>>>> strongly believe that CCWG's
independent counsel must remain<br>
<dd>>>> Sidley Austin and Adler &
Colvin. They have been up a<br>
<dd>>>> tremendous learning curve and
worked with us every step of the<br>
<dd>>>> way. It would be folly to
cast that aside. It's worth noting<br>
<dd>>>> that Sidley is a full-service law
firm with offices outside<br>
<dd>>>> the US in Beijing, Brussels,
Geneva, Hong Kong, London,<br>
<dd>>>> Munich, Shanghai, Singapore,
Sydney and Tokyo. I'm confident<br>
<dd>>>> that Sidley (and Adler) will (a)
tell us when they don't have<br>
<dd>>>> the expertise to help us, and (b)
work with us on working<br>
<dd>>>> methods to make our use of the
firms more cost-effective.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> Greg<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:22 PM,
Rudolph Daniel<br>
<dd>>>>
<<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a><br>
<dd>>>>
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">
rudi.daniel@gmail.com</a>');>> wrote:<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> Based on comments on
the call today, IMO; A good body of<br>
<dd>>>> knowledge was
accquired on the subject of legal requests<br>
<dd>>>> in wg1. WG2 legal
resources would be both inhouse and<br>
<dd>>>> external, from
start, We should be much more efficient<br>
<dd>>>> this time around.
Each sub however will have their needs<br>
<dd>>>> and there may be
requests applicable across the subgroups<br>
<dd>>>> and/or specific to a
subgroup.<br>
<dd>>>> So, that suggests
close relationship between budget<br>
<dd>>>> control and the
former legal request team [reconfigured<br>
<dd>>>> and/or augmented]
who would have to coordinate requests<br>
<dd>>>> across ws2 sub<br>
<dd>>>> groups as i see
it.<br>
<dd>>>> What determines the
initial choice inhouse/external<br>
<dd>>>> resources may be a
matter of consensus, but it may be<br>
<dd>>>> prudent to consider
the process as [default] inhouse with<br>
<dd>>>> the flexible and
necessary option of external sources by<br>
<dd>>>> consensus [as the
fog clears so to speak]. I think it may<br>
<dd>>>> be cumbersome to
request inhouse to solicit an opinion<br>
<dd>>>> from an
external, because there may arise an instance<br>
<dd>>>> where; on the
strength of an opinion, [inhouse or<br>
<dd>>>> external] ; a wg2
may wish to reframe and seek<br>
<dd>>>> alternative advise
elswhere.<br>
<dd>>>> rd<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> Rudi Daniel<br>
<dd>>>> /danielcharles
consulting<br>
<dd>>>>
<<a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingstown-Saint-Vincent-and-the-Grenadines/DanielCharles/153611257984774">
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingstown-Saint-Vincent-and-the-Grenadines/DanielCharles/153611257984774</a>
>/<br>
<dd>>>> *<br>
<dd>>>> *<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016
at 7:21 PM, Vinay Kesari<br>
<dd>>>>
<<a href="mailto:vinay.kesari@gmail.com">vinay.kesari@gmail.com</a><br>
<dd>>>>
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:vinay.kesari@gmail.com">
vinay.kesari@gmail.com</a>');>><br>
<dd>>>> wrote:<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> Dear
all,<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> I was
unfortunately unable to join the call as I was<br>
<dd>>>> on a
flight at the time, my apologies. I've just had a<br>
<dd>>>> chance
to catch up on the Adobe Connect recording, and<br>
<dd>>>> I'm
happy to reconfirm my willingness and availability<br>
<dd>>>> to
serve as a rapporteur. Also, I agree with the<br>
<dd>>>> thrust
of Kavouss' comment at 0:24:30, and affirm my<br>
<dd>>>>
commitment to serve impartially. I look forward to<br>
<dd>>>>
working with Greg on the jurisdiction subgroup.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
Separately, on the issue of allocation of legal<br>
<dd>>>>
requests, I agree that we need further discussion, and<br>
<dd>>>>
endorse creating an Option 3 based on the points made<br>
<dd>>>> and
the specific requirements of the different WS2<br>
<dd>>>>
subgroups.<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
Regards,<br>
<dd>>>>
Vinay<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>> On 12
July 2016 at 20:55, Mathieu Weill<br>
<dd>>>>
<<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a><br>
<dd>>>>
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">
mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>');>><br>
<dd>>>>
wrote:<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
Dear Colleagues,<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
Attached is a short set of slides to support our<br>
<dd>>>>
discussion on agenda item #4<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
Talk to you in a few hours<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
Mathieu<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
*De
:*<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">
accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
<dd>>>>
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<dd>>>>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">
accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
<dd>>>>
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<dd>>>>
*De la part de* MSSI Secretariat<br>
<dd>>>>
*Envoyé :* lundi 11 juillet 2016 19:46<br>
<dd>>>>
*Ă€ :* CCWG-Accountability<br>
<dd>>>>
*Objet :* [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT<br>
<dd>>>>
Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
Good day all,<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
In preparation for your call, CCWG Accountability<br>
<dd>>>>
WS2 Meeting #2<br>
<dd>>>>
<<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw">
https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw</a>>– Tuesday,<br>
<dd>>>>
12 July @ 20:00 – 22:00 UTC. Time zone
converter<br>
<dd>>>>
here<br>
<dd>>>>
<<a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+Accountability+Meeting&iso=20160712T20&p1=1440&ah=2">
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+Accountability+Meeting&iso=20160712T20&p1=1440&ah=2</a>
><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
*Proposed Agenda:*<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
1. Welcome, SOI<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
2.<br>
<dd>>>>
Articles of Incorporation : finalize submission<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
3.<br>
<dd>>>>
Appointment of rapporteurs for WS2 – next steps<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
4.<br>
<dd>>>>
Legal Cost Control Mechanism : initial
discussion<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
5. AOB<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
6. Closing<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
*Adobe Connect:<br>
<dd>>>>
*<a href="https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/">
https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/</a><br>
<dd>>>>
<<a href="https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/" eudora="autourl">
https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/</a>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
Thank you!<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
With kind regards,<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
Brenda Brewer<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
MSSI Projects & Operations Assistant<br>
<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>>
ICANN-**Internet Corporation for Assigned Names<br>
<dd>>>>
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<dd>>>><br>
<dd>>>><br>
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