<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Carlos,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">That might work for some of the subgroups where the questions is largely one of fashioning ICANN policy without reference to external legal frameworks, but I don't think it will work for the subgroups where the questions are inherently legal (or those that fall in the middle between these two extremes). </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The calls for legal counsel will start in the subgroups, not in the legal committee. As I understand it, the legal committee will be responsible for identifying those requests that might not require legal advice (in order to avoid unnecessary legal spend), and for seeking to clarify those that appear vague or overbroad (and which would thus be more costly to deal with than they should be).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">In sum, we should deal with this on a case-by-case basis, without broad pronouncements. As such, you (or anyone) would be free to say in a subgroup that they don't see the need for legal advice at that time, and it would be up to the subgroup to make that initial determination</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg <br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org" target="_blank">crg@isoc-cr.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""> Robin Gross wrote:<br>
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Let’s try to stay focused on the substance of what we are here to do and not get sucked into opportunities for endless argument on administrative issues that we had set up this committee to deal with previously.<br>
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Couldn’t we do our work and let a semi-final draft up for legal revision? Do we have to work all along hand in hand with external lawyers? Enough external legal training for the tie being. Let´s hammer out a deal, and let the external lawyers come in later.<br>
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Carlos R. Gutiérrez<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Robin<br>
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With respect, I disagree. The question of whether or not to seek advice is a ministerial one that can and should be left to the good judgment of the co-chairs and the committee members. As we have seen in the last few days, the broader CCWG can get overwhelmed with disagreement on relatively inconsequential matters of process when for the most part our thinking and time are best devoted to substantive questions that require analysis and resolution<br>
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Cheers<br>
Paul<br>
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Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Legal Committee and WS2 budget - new proposal<br>
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Hello Mathieu,<br>
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The attached document indicated that decision will be handled based on case by case basis which is fine.<br>
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However I think sub-bullet 1 of item 2 on page 6 is not explicit about decision making process. I like to suggest that when independent council is required, the legal committee should rather recommend (not decide on behalf) to the group as it should be the decision of the CCWG-ACT to make. Such recommendation should also include adequate rationale on why external council is preferred over ICANN legal staff.<br>
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On 18 Jul 2016 5:10 p.m., "Mathieu Weill" <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Dear Colleagues,<br>
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Based on the feedback received during last week’s call, as well as on the robust discussion on the list, we are suggesting a revised approach for the Legal Committee :<br>
- Composition based on previous Legal executive team<br>
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- Co-chairs remain budget owners, working with support from the PCST<br>
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- Legal committee may direct requests to external firms, on a case by case assessment taking into account costs, skills as well as potential requirement for “independent” advice.<br>
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We believe this strikes a good balance between the need to manage costs efficiently and responsibly, and the ability for our group to request independent advice when needed.<br>
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Depending on the feedbacks, we will report on our progress to the Board Finance Committee and SO/AC leaders during a call that has been arranged at the BFC’s request on Monday 25 July.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Mathieu Weill<br>
Co-chair<br>
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