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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/07/2016 18:24, Robin Gross wrote:<br>
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I agree with Paul. We need a process that is workable and
efficient. The last thing we need is a process that will repeat
the quarrelsome and time-consuming exercise we just went through
with even more administrative matters. Let’s try to stay focused
on the substance of what we are here to do and not get sucked into
opportunities for endless argument on administrative issues that
we had set up this committee to deal with previously.
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<div class="">On Jul 18, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Paul
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class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">With
respect, I disagree. The question of whether or
not to seek advice is a ministerial one that can
and should be left to the good judgment of the
co-chairs and the committee members. As we
have seen in the last few days, the broader CCWG
can get overwhelmed with disagreement on
relatively inconsequential matters of process
when for the most part our thinking and time are
best devoted to substantive questions that
require analysis and resolution<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">On Behalf Of<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Seun
Ojedeji<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
July 18, 2016 12:32 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mathieu
Weill <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>><br
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<b class="">Cc:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ACCT-Staff
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[CCWG-ACCT] Legal Committee and WS2 budget - new
proposal<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class="">Hello Mathieu,<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class="">The attached document indicated
that decision will be handled based on case by
case basis which is fine.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class="">However I think sub-bullet 1 of
item 2 on page 6 is not explicit about decision
making process. I like to suggest that when
independent council is required, the legal
committee should rather recommend (not decide on
behalf) to the group as it should be the decision
of the CCWG-ACT to make. Such recommendation
should also include adequate rationale on why
external council is preferred over ICANN legal
staff.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class="">Regards<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif;" class="">Sent from my LG G4<br class="">
Kindly excuse brevity and typos<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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class="">On 18 Jul 2016 5:10 p.m., "Mathieu
Weill" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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Colleagues,<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
class="" lang="FR"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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Roman', serif;" class=""> <span class=""
lang="FR"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">Based on the
feedback received during last week’s
call, as well as on the robust
discussion on the list, we are
suggesting a revised approach for the
Legal Committee :<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
class="" lang="FR"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left:
0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">-<span
style="font-size: 7pt;" class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Composition
based on previous Legal executive team<span
class="" lang="FR"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left:
0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">-<span
style="font-size: 7pt;" class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Co-chairs
remain budget owners, working with
support from the PCST<span class=""
lang="FR"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left:
0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">-<span
style="font-size: 7pt;" class=""> <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Legal
committee may direct requests to
external firms, on a case by case
assessment taking into account costs,
skills as well as potential requirement
for “independent” advice.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
class="" lang="FR"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <span class=""
lang="FR"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">We believe this
strikes a good balance between the need
to manage costs efficiently and
responsibly, and the ability for our
group to request independent advice when
needed.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
class="" lang="FR"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <span class=""
lang="FR"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">Depending on
the feedbacks, we will report on our
progress to the Board Finance Committee
and SO/AC leaders during a call that has
been arranged at the BFC’s request on
Monday 25 July.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
class="" lang="FR"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class=""> <span class=""
lang="FR"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">Best regards,<span
class="" lang="FR"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">Mathieu Weill<span
class="" lang="FR"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman', serif;" class="">Co-chair<span
class="" lang="FR"><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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