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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I have no real opinion on the case generally or the ccTLD/ICANN dispute. But I think this is mistaken – of course if a registrar subject to an order chooses to resist the order and/or destroy the registry he can do that. But subject to a lawful order, there is no reason to think that rebuilding the registry would be necessary – the court would simply order its transfer to the new registrar and an compliant loser would make the transfer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>That having been said, I do agree with Kristian that it is likely to be messy with transition costs we can’t anticipate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Paul Rosenzweig<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>O: +1 (202) 547-0660<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>M: +1 (202) 329-9650<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.redbranchconsulting.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>My PGP Key: <a href="http://redbranchconsulting.com/who-we-are/public-pgp-key/"><span style='color:#0563C1'>http://redbranchconsulting.com/who-we-are/public-pgp-key/</span></a> <u><span style='color:#0563C1'><o:p></o:p></span></u></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kristian Stout<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> Steve Crocker <steve.crocker@board.icann.org>; Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu>; Diego R. Canabarro <diegocanabarro@nic.br>; accountability-cross-community@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Weinstein v. Iran<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Further, the idea that a court-ordered transfer of control could be carried out in a way that leaves the registrants unharmed sounds nice but I don’t know how to implement it. It seems to me to be wishful thinking, tied to a theoretical construct but unrelated to reality.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Steve<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This has got to be true from a non-technical perspective as well. Even assuming you could adequately rebuild the cc registry for resolution purposes, you don’t have the details of the contracts between the parties. So you have no idea how long a particular registration will last, what the payment terms were, etc. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I though the <i>Weinstein</i> case read like a pretty predictable hedge by an institutionally conservative court (i mean this in the non-political sense). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>kristian <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Aug 4, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I think the arrangements you describe would be sufficient to protect the third party interests of registrants under a TLD. More could also be done to ensure that in any such delegation, the new owner doesn’t impair the property and service interests of SLD registrants.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>What I don’t understand is the court’s feeling that ICANN’s interest in the stability and interoperability of the DNS would be impaired by a legally mandated redelegation. I think that argument is just plain false. A redelegation does not create a compatibility issue. I don’t think the court understands what ICANN does and was overly swayed by hysterical USG amicus brief that claimed that the whole “model of internet governance” would be destroyed by a pro-plaintiff decision.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>--MM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Diego R. Canabarro [<a href="mailto:diegocanabarro@nic.br" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>mailto:diegocanabarro@nic.br</span></a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 4, 2016 2:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>accountability-cross-community@icann.org</span></a><br><b>Cc:</b> Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>milton@gatech.edu</span></a>>; Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>psc@vlaw-dc.com</span></a>>; David Post <<a href="mailto:david.g.post@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>david.g.post@gmail.com</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Weinstein v. Iran</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Excellent post, Milton. Do you think the ruling would have been different in case ICANN had any sort of direct access to the database (e.g.: through a escrow service provider)? Put it differently: in case ICANN had access to a full replication of the ccTLD database and could keep things running smoothly, do you the ruling should be different?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Best</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Diego</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Diego R. 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Iran</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Paul:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Greg Shatan raised the same quibble in a comment posted at the website, and</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> I replied as follows-</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Greg:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Thanks for the positive review of a hastily composed article. You are</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> correct that the court expressed an assumption that a ccTLD constituted an</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> attachable property interest, but did not decide that it was. While that</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> assumption might be cited in a future case involving TLD matters it</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> certainly has little to no weight. Further, courts might well decide that a</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> nation's interest in its ccTLD, which is independent of any contractual</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> relationship with ICANN, differentiates ccTLDs from gTLDs, which are</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> dependent on being awarded such a contract by ICANN and can be lost if the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> registry operator commits a material breach of the registry agreement.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Finally, whether or not ccTLDs or gTLDs constitute some type of property</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> interest is a separate question from whether second level domains</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> constitute a form of property. So yes, it was a very interesting outcome</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> but in no way determinative on the TLD as property issue. Best, Philip</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> You are correct that the Court took no position one way or another on</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> whether a TLD constitutes property, and leaves that issue for another case</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> at a later date.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Very best, Philip</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Virtualaw LLC</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 1155 F Street, NW</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Suite 1050</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Washington, DC 20004</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 202-559-8597/Direct</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 202-559-8750/Fax</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 202-255-6172/Cell</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Twitter: @VlawDC</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> From: David Post [<a href="mailto:david.g.post@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>mailto:david.g.post@gmail.com</span></a>]</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 5:37 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> To: Phil Corwin</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Cc: Paul Rosenzweig; 'CCWG-Accountability'</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Weinstein v. Iran</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> At 09:37 AM 8/3/2016, Phil Corwin wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Content-Language: en-US</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> boundary="_000_8E84A14FB84B8141B0E4713BAFF5B84E21188D2AExchangesierrac_"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> FYI, yesterday I published a short article on the decision which can be</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> found at</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20160802_court_of_appeals_avoids_doomsday_eff" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>http://www.circleid.com/posts/20160802_court_of_appeals_avoids_doomsday_eff</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> ect_in_iran_cctld_decision/</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> One small-ish quibble: you write:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> "In reaching its decision, the Court opined (but did not decide) that a top</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> level domain constitutes an attachable property interest."</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Not sure that's strictly correct. I think "opined" implies that the court</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> expressed an opinion about the matter (without actually deciding it). But</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> I don't think it did express an opinion one way or the other; it simply</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> said that it would "assume" that the ccTLDs constitute property, without</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> really considering the matter, because it would have no impact on the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> outcome. I know it's a nit ... but the question of whether TLDs are</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> "property" is sure to come up again, and I don't think this opinion is any</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> support at all - even weak support - for the notion that they are. David</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> In it I state:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> In my view, this result avoids the possibility of a major erosion of</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> confidence and participation in ICANN by ccTLD operators by making clear</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> that a respected Court of Appeals in the U.S. possesses adequate technical</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> understanding of the DNS to avoid a legal decision that could lead to</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> technical and political instability many nations would not wish to</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> continue in a DNS coordinated by a U.S. non-profit corporation if it could</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> be ordered by a U.S. court to transfer control of any nation's ccTLD. This</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> decision will also hopefully tamp down calls by some parties for ICANN's</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> place of incorporation to be moved outside of the U.S. by demonstrating</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> that ICANN's jurisdiction does not create a threat to other nation's</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> ccTLDs. Remaining jurisdiction issues will be addressed in work stream 2 of</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> ICANN's ongoing accountability process.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Best regards to all</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Virtualaw LLC</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 1155 F Street, NW</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Suite 1050</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Washington, DC 20004</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 202-559-8597/Direct</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 202-559-8750/Fax</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> 202-255-6172/Cell</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Twitter: @VlawDC</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> From:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org%3cmailto:accountability-cros" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org<mailto:accountability-cros</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:s-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>s-community-bounces@icann.org</span></a>> [</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Rosenzweig Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 9:28 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> To: 'CCWG-Accountability'</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Weinstein v. Iran</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>></span><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> For those following along in the effort to attach the .ir (and other)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> ccTLDs, the appellate court issued an opinion yesterday affirming the</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> decision of the court below rejecting the effort to attach the domain</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>> (albeit on different grounds). 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