<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116551">Yes, but these can be taken as suggestions for future bylaws changes, not?</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116552"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116576">Best, <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116578">Zakir<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116487"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116519"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116511" class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116515" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116514" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116513" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116512" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116517" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> parminder <parminder@itforchange.net> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "accountability-cross-community@icann.org" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 15, 2016 7:01 PM<br> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116581"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116580" style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] [community-finance] IANA Stewardship Transition - Project Expenses - FY16 Q3 update<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116588" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv2110637868"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116587"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116586" dir="ltr"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116585"><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116584" style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 8pt;vertical-align:middle;"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1471248764697_116583" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);line-height:107%;">Dear All,</span></div><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 8pt;vertical-align:middle;"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);line-height:107%;">The Mission, Mandate as well as ICANN functions were extensively
discussed by CCWG.</span></div><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="background:white;margin:0in 0in 8pt;vertical-align:middle;"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);line-height:107%;">The major elements of those are already contained in the new approved
Bylaws</span></div><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);line-height:107%;">There is therefore NO NEED to discuss those
already agreed issues </span></div><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font><div style="margin:0in 0in 8pt;"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);line-height:107%;">Kavouss </span></div><font color="#000000" size="3" face="Times New Roman">
</font></div></div><div class="yiv2110637868gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2110637868gmail_quote">2016-08-15 12:44 GMT+02:00 parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span>:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv2110637868gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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</span><div>On Monday 15 August 2016 03:42 PM,
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<div dir="ltr">I hesitate to get involved in this debate, it feels
like the same arguments are made over and over. Maybe it's time
to have a longer discussion at one of our meetings about this
topic.
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<div>Anyhow, briefly, the Antigua/Barbuda Online Gambling case
has very little to do with ICANN being an US based regulator
but more with a General Agreement on Trade in Services (WTO)
case pending between US and Antigua/Barbuda. It's one of those
not very rational cases that will continue to impact the
Internet gambling environments.</div>
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<span></span><div><font face="Verdana">Thanks Erika, I know the case has nothing to
do with ICANN... And I did not say that it had.. I just said
that an Antigua based betting company will be ill-advised to try
to take up a closed gTLD in its name</font> and conduct its
business under it, because it is liable to be seized whenever US
authorities want to do so (by their jurisdiction control over
ICANN) . Same is true of a drug company, say from India, planning
global e-com trade of generic drugs. It will also be ill-advised
to risk a closed gTLD in its name to do such global business, for
the same reason.</div>
<div>Whereby, one can see that businesses of other countries are
denied an important right that US business fully retains, to get
closed gTLD in their names for their online operations. What I
fail to understand is how many people here - I note, mostly US
based ones - see nothing wrong with it, and also do not see this
as an exercise of a public governance (kind of) power by ICANN, in
this case in an unjust manner.<span class="yiv2110637868HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="none">
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parminder<br clear="none"></font></span><div><div class="yiv2110637868h5">
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<div> Even if ICANN would not be based in the US, the
organization still would have to warn applicants. </div>
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<div>It's an interesting case and might guide our discussion
about this topic in interesting ways, for those of you who are
WTO junkies like I am, here's the link: </div>
<h3 style="margin:0px;overflow:hidden;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;font-size:18px;font-weight:normal;white-space:nowrap;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" style="color:rgb(102,0,153);text-decoration:none;" target="_blank" href="https://www.google.be/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjFgv7VlsPOAhVJOhoKHRu2BXoQFggbMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wto.org%2Fenglish%2Ftratop_e%2Fdispu_e%2Fcases_e%2Fds285_e.htm&usg=AFQjCNFXsQnuymsnUHgQi9XSWQihr_OwSQ&sig2=aI_j9fHJJ6iCB_52kHOk7g">WTO |
dispute settlement - the disputes - DS285</a></h3>
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<div class="yiv2110637868gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 7:10 PM,
parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span>
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On Sunday 14 August 2016 10:06 PM, John Curran wrote:<br clear="none">
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</span><span>>> More people do not use cars,
or guns, or ...... the list is endless.<br clear="none">
>> Does not mean that rules around them are not to
be considered issues of<br clear="none">
>> 'public governance' just for that reason. The
Internet today impacts<br clear="none">
>> practically everyone, whether one uses it or not.
Just as laws of<br clear="none">
>> international trade effects everyone, whether one
is directly carrying<br clear="none">
>> out trade or not.. Excuse me to say it, but this
is a very weak argument.<br clear="none">
> Ah, you’ve transition now into actual laws, and I do
agree that such is<br clear="none">
> the realm of public governance. Note that it is also
the case that laws<br clear="none">
> are made by governments – something that ICANN is
not.<br clear="none">
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</span>ICANN makes considerable number of important laws of
our online<br clear="none">
existence. It, for instance, tells me that I cannot register
the domain<br clear="none">
name <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://cocacola.biz/">cocacola.biz</a> even if
it be yet unregistered ... It tells a betting<br clear="none">
company in Antigua not to risk a gTLD in its name bec
betting is illegal<br clear="none">
in the US and its online business conducted under such a
gTLD can<br clear="none">
suddenly be brought down any day (bec ICANN insists of
staying subject<br clear="none">
to the US jurisdiction) .... A thousand such examples can be
cited of<br clear="none">
laws that ICANN makes and enforces with regard to our online
existence.<br clear="none">
Just by not calling them laws it does not make them not
laws.. BTW,<br clear="none">
ICANN does call them policies, and enforceable policies are
laws... That<br clear="none">
thing about if it quacks like a duck.....<br clear="none">
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As I said in the last email, hidden powers are to be feared
even more<br clear="none">
than the declared ones....<br clear="none">
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parminder<br clear="none">
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