<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Brett,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I think the Transparency subgroup is about a good deal more than lobbying disclosures (or non-lobbying efforts in a similar vein to lobbying or non-US lobbying).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I agree that the lobbying disclosures made by ICANN are not sufficient to reveal the bigger picture, and that this is one worthwhile subject for the Transparency subgroup.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'm not sure Marilyn was saying she was satisfied with the overall status quo, even if she's satisfied with the lobbying disclosures as such. But I'll let Marilyn speak for herself.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">BTW, I have no issue with the use of lobbying, it's a necessary part of the process. Some people like to use the term pejoratively in all cases, but that's way overbroad to say the least. (Note, I am not now nor have I ever been even remotely close to being a lobbyist.)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This thread is a somewhat unfortunate mix of a "micro" discussion on disclosures of lobbying-ish behaviors (and contracts that seem to inhibit such disclosures) and a "macro" discussion of ICANN's Transparency obligations....</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Schaefer, Brett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org" target="_blank">Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Marilyn,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m not sure why my e-mail elicited this response. I am glad you are satisfied with the status quo, but the fact that there is a transparency sub-group in WS2
indicates that others are not. If you are not concerned about it, I suggest you focus you efforts on areas you think improvements are required.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy</span><br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 16, 2016 2:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Schaefer, Brett; <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-<wbr>community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CCWG-ACCT] [community-finance] IANA Stewardship Transition - Project Expenses - FY16 Q3 update<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I know. Brett, and as you work for a think tank with a need to focus on "it's not enough", I get it. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I am a creature of my own country's great assets of taking $ to do this, and that, and one more investigative thing.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I was fortunate. I got to do the building part. Helping to create the Internet Summit; America Links Up; and the launch of GetNetWise'; IMUnified... a broadband initiative endorsed by the
USG and the FCC, but developed by the private sector. ... and more... initiatives that were about building. not tearing down but focused on the let's do the best we can.And yes, I got to help to create the process that led to ICANN. All accidental, not planned,
not a grand conspiracy as some might want to paint it. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">BUT I also work in more countries perhaps than some on this list. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Maybe it is time to think: hmmm. so much of our economy is about R0W [Rest of world], wow, how can I personally think about the RoW while I also think about my own well funded Think Tank.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Might be a good strategy for our shared future.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org" target="_blank">Brett.Schaefer@heritage.org</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-<wbr>community@icann.org</a><br>
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 18:10:13 +0000<br>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] [community-finance] IANA Stewardship Transition - Project Expenses - FY16 Q3 update<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">ICANN reports the lobbying information as required by US law, but that does not encompass the education/engagement efforts that often border on lobbying. Nor
do US lobbying laws require disclosure of expenses for similar activities elsewhere. I do not know what laws apply in other countries, but it seems unreasonable to expect the community to endeavor to find that information in dozens of countries when ICANN
could readily provide it. </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Also, it is troubling that the confidentiality clauses in ICANN contracts might serve as a loophole for transparency. Specifically, I expect they would block
disclosure under the DIDP process. Would they also would prevent an individual Board Member or Decisional Participant from obtaining this information if they requested it under their Right of Inspection? Or impede the EC from obtaining the information through
an independent audit? </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">IMO, these are important questions that should be answered and resolved.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best,</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#004b8d">Schaefer</span></b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#58595b"><br>
Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in International Regulatory Affairs<br>
Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis Institute for National Security and Foreign Policy</span></i><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#58595b">The Heritage Foundation<br>
214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE<br>
Washington, DC 20002<br>
<a href="tel:202-608-6097" value="+12026086097" target="_blank">202-608-6097</a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#004b8d"><a href="http://heritage.org/" target="_blank"><span style="color:#004b8d;text-decoration:none">heritage.org</span></a><br>
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<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-<wbr>community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:accountability-cross-<wbr>community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marilyn Cade<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 16, 2016 1:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sam Lanfranco; <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">
accountability-cross-<wbr>community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] [community-finance] IANA Stewardship Transition - Project Expenses - FY16 Q3 update</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">First of all, ICANN has always complied with the lobbying disclosures. :-) <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I know that some are turning up their noses at the use of lobbyists, but this is not a bad thing when one understands that in order to meet with elected officials and provide information,
depending on how much of that one does, one registers as a lobbyist in the United States.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I am not now a lobbyist, but at one time in my technical career which spaned 27 years, I was registered, because the majority of my job was to meet with elected officials -- in the USG, in
the US Congress and in the US House of Representatives. And my job was to talk about the Internet, to explain it, and to explain its benefits. In those few years that I was in that role, each year, I disclosed all of the relevant information, as did my employer. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From what I see, ICANN does the same. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">It is also acceptable for an organization to augment its staff with experts that are needed for only a short time period that are experts in communications, or in policy analysis, or in software
redesign, or in Security, etc. etc. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I too wonder what the right degree of transparency is, but I suspect it is pretty close to where we are now, with a few tweaks.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">And for anyone who wants to spend the time that I do every year on the ICANN budget, and make a positive contribution on that front, please, please, join me and Chuck Gomes, and Jimson Olufuye
and many others, such as the ccTLDs and instead of complaining about lack of transparency, read the detailed reports that we do have access to, and attend the working sessions of the community on the ICANN budget. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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From: <a href="mailto:sam@lanfranco.net" target="_blank">sam@lanfranco.net</a><br>
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:52:40 -0400<br>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] [community-finance] IANA Stewardship Transition - Project Expenses - FY16 Q3 update<br>
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More thoughts on:<br>
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On 16-Aug-16 12:22, parminder wrote:<br>
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<span style="color:#993399">I ask you; do you agree or not that ICANN should uphold these transparency standards that are upheld by public bodies?
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</span><span style="color:black">There are two complementary avenues for pursuing what should be ICANN’s commitment to transparency, and discussion should proceed on both fronts.
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One is try to distill a scope and depth of transparency from ICANN’s mission and vision. That includes considerations of what concepts like “in the public good”, “in the public interest” and “public governance” direct us (the multistakeholder community within
ICANN) to consider in the establishment of a standard of transparency to which ICANN should aspire.
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The other avenue is to identify concrete and existing examples of a lack of transparency within the current operations of ICANN (e.g. lobbying contracts, “service” contracts, etc.) and build a remedial framework of transparency practice within ICANN.
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Discussion should proceed on both fronts. <br>
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Sam L.<br>
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