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    <p><font face="Verdana">Sorry, John, I am unable to follow the
        meaning of your insistence on specificity. But I do know clearly
        well that if we, or 'the community', agrees to the principle
        that if any comparable information request to the US or Indian
        government would elicit a legally mandated information
        disclosure, ICANN should also do it, then an appropriate
        information disclosure regime can easily be written out for
        ICANN. The draft can then be tested for this principle, and
        finalised, and adopted. (This will for instance mean that about
        90 percent of ICANN's current non disclosure conditions will be
        thrown in the waste-paper bin where they belong). <br>
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    <p><font face="Verdana">If your insistence on specificity means that
        I should first present an entire draft of the information
        disclosure policy for ICANN, that I would consider appropriate,
        without the 'community' or the 'empowered WG' first discussing
        and agreeing to the higher level principles of it, I find it
        simply a way to foreclose the important discussion -- because
        such is quite impractical for anyone to do.</font></p>
    <p><font face="Verdana">I have been involved in enough draftings of
        documents related to governance/ policies etc, and it is always
        first discussion and agreement on larger principles, followed by
        more specific drafting. <br>
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    <p><font face="Verdana">And so I repeat my specific question to you"<font
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          display: inline !important;" class="">Does this group share
          the expectation that at the end of the transition process,
          ICANN will adopt information disclosure policies of the same
          level as that of mature democracies today (I give the public
          information regimes of India and US as specific examples)? If
          not, why so?"</span></font></p>
    <font face="Verdana">parminder</font><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 21 August 2016 06:02 PM, John
      Curran wrote:<br>
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      On Aug 21, 2016, at 8:25 AM, parminder &lt;<a
        moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"
        class="">parminder@itforchange.net</a>&gt; wrote:
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              background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">On Tuesday 16
              August 2016 11:00 PM, John Curran wrote:<br class="">
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            <blockquote
              cite="mid:EB807E78-B23E-4735-A6A5-D6EA0CBB4275@istaff.org"
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              rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">On Aug 16, 2016, at 1:22 PM,
              parminder &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" class="">parminder@itforchange.net</a>&gt;
              wrote:<br class="">
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                <blockquote type="cite" class="">As I said, most
                  democratic governments of the world have laws for
                  access to public information. Take India's Right to
                  Information Act for instance. Wikipedia information on
                  it is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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                    href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Information_Act,_2005"
                    class="">here</a>, and here is<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Information_Act,_2005"
                    class="">the actual text</a>. The US also has very
                  good laws in this regard, to which you can get easy
                  access. Over 95 countries have some kind of freedom of
                  information laws ( see<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_information_laws_by_country">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_information_laws_by_country</a><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>) and I think
                  most of them have better transparency laws than what
                  ICANN adheres to…</blockquote>
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                Please be specific.  ICANN already has a "Documentary
                Information Disclosure Policy”,</div>
              <div class="">and to the extent you believe it needs to be
                changed, it would be good to hear how.</div>
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              !important;" class="">John, I have been as specific as I
              can. </span></div>
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        <div>Again, please cite the specific changes to ICANN’s
          practices that you believe this </div>
        <div>group should consider in its work.</div>
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          <div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size:
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              !important;" class="">I am not clear what is the
              'community's' plan regarding this. Does this group share
              the expectation that at the end of the transition process,
              ICANN will adopt information disclosure policies of the
              same level as that of mature democracies today (I give the
              public information regimes of India and US as specific
              examples)? If not, why so?</span><br style="font-family:
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              !important;" class="">John, it is your turn to be specific
              :) </span></div>
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        If you believe that changes ICANN’s information disclosure
        practices are necessary,</div>
      <div>please specify the changes that you wish to see.  I do not
        have direct experience in</div>
      <div>making use of ICANN’s information disclosure practices, nor
        am I recommending that</div>
      <div>any changes be made, but you apparently are seeking that some
        changes be made </div>
      <div>without actually detailing what these changes should be. </div>
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      <div>Thanks,</div>
      <div>/John</div>
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      <div>Disclaimer: my views alone.</div>
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