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<p><font face="Verdana">Sorry, John, I am unable to follow the
meaning of your insistence on specificity. But I do know clearly
well that if we, or 'the community', agrees to the principle
that if any comparable information request to the US or Indian
government would elicit a legally mandated information
disclosure, ICANN should also do it, then an appropriate
information disclosure regime can easily be written out for
ICANN. The draft can then be tested for this principle, and
finalised, and adopted. (This will for instance mean that about
90 percent of ICANN's current non disclosure conditions will be
thrown in the waste-paper bin where they belong). <br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">If your insistence on specificity means that
I should first present an entire draft of the information
disclosure policy for ICANN, that I would consider appropriate,
without the 'community' or the 'empowered WG' first discussing
and agreeing to the higher level principles of it, I find it
simply a way to foreclose the important discussion -- because
such is quite impractical for anyone to do.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">I have been involved in enough draftings of
documents related to governance/ policies etc, and it is always
first discussion and agreement on larger principles, followed by
more specific drafting. <br>
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<p><font face="Verdana">And so I repeat my specific question to you"<font
size="+2"> </font></font><font size="+2"><span
style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
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display: inline !important;" class="">Does this group share
the expectation that at the end of the transition process,
ICANN will adopt information disclosure policies of the same
level as that of mature democracies today (I give the public
information regimes of India and US as specific examples)? If
not, why so?"</span></font></p>
<font face="Verdana">parminder</font><br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 21 August 2016 06:02 PM, John
Curran wrote:<br>
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On Aug 21, 2016, at 8:25 AM, parminder <<a
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class="">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">On Tuesday 16
August 2016 11:00 PM, John Curran wrote:<br class="">
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rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">On Aug 16, 2016, at 1:22 PM,
parminder <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" class="">parminder@itforchange.net</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">As I said, most
democratic governments of the world have laws for
access to public information. Take India's Right to
Information Act for instance. Wikipedia information on
it is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Information_Act,_2005"
class="">here</a>, and here is<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Information_Act,_2005"
class="">the actual text</a>. The US also has very
good laws in this regard, to which you can get easy
access. Over 95 countries have some kind of freedom of
information laws ( see<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_information_laws_by_country">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_information_laws_by_country</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>) and I think
most of them have better transparency laws than what
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Please be specific. ICANN already has a "Documentary
Information Disclosure Policy”,</div>
<div class="">and to the extent you believe it needs to be
changed, it would be good to hear how.</div>
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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!important;" class="">John, I have been as specific as I
can. </span></div>
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<div>Again, please cite the specific changes to ICANN’s
practices that you believe this </div>
<div>group should consider in its work.</div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size:
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rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline
!important;" class="">I am not clear what is the
'community's' plan regarding this. Does this group share
the expectation that at the end of the transition process,
ICANN will adopt information disclosure policies of the
same level as that of mature democracies today (I give the
public information regimes of India and US as specific
examples)? If not, why so?</span><br style="font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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!important;" class="">John, it is your turn to be specific
:) </span></div>
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If you believe that changes ICANN’s information disclosure
practices are necessary,</div>
<div>please specify the changes that you wish to see. I do not
have direct experience in</div>
<div>making use of ICANN’s information disclosure practices, nor
am I recommending that</div>
<div>any changes be made, but you apparently are seeking that some
changes be made </div>
<div>without actually detailing what these changes should be. </div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>/John</div>
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<div>Disclaimer: my views alone.</div>
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