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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2
<b>Human Resources Subgroup Meeting #2</b> – 23 August 2016 will be available here:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/DgKsAw">https://community.icann.org/x/DgKsAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">A copy of the
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#132857">n</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">otes may be found below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Thank you</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#132857">.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#132857"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#161616">With kind regards,</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1B2F72">Brenda Brewer </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<h3 style="margin-top:22.5pt;background:white"><strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;font-weight:normal">Notes</span></strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></h3>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">1. Administrivia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">2. Discussion on: the Summary on what was agreed and discussed on human rights during WS1 [0]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rwpw9aSAqboRO2_rNkjMVJPOmYwmdr5B1_M_aNMoZb4/edit?usp=sharing"><span style="color:#3B73AF">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rwpw9aSAqboRO2_rNkjMVJPOmYwmdr5B1_M_aNMoZb4/edit?usp=sharing</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Tatiana and Greg walk through of the first Google document - Summary of WS1 (WP4) discussion on Human Rights 1st draft<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">ICANN will enforce their contracts -- but I don't believe there are requirements relating to human rights (beyond "applicable law' provisions).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Nigel: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Disagree. Because human rights conventions are not applicable to ICANN as it's not a state actor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">as for the meaning and effect of article 4 about international law and HR: perhaps an analysis of IRP decisions (and maybe <br>
other instances as well) could be warranted, in order to have a clear picture as to what extent HR (based on current article 4 of the Articles of Incorporation) have already been applied?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Ruggie principles state that business (ie. ICANN) should "not contribute to" human rights abuses. (See page 21.) Of course for <br>
some, this may conflict with what they see as their free speech rights. For example, the Hague Criminal Court had testimony yesterday from the perpetrator of <br>
crimes of destruction of cultural property in Mali. This destruction resulted from ISIL occupation and its statement against the culture in Mali that it viewed as <br>
heretical. These videos are accessible on certain Internet sites. If ICANN permits sites to be used to show destruction of cultural property - or in a more extreme <br>
case, to permit authorized Internet urls to be used to display beheadings, is ICANN contributing to human rights violations and failing to respect Human Rights?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever 2: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Hi Anne - I think representation on an act and an act is a very different thing. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">David McAuley: In WS1 we agreed to punt on enforcement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">@Niels -I am not sure what you mean by "representation on an act". But I agree that respecting Human Rights necessarily <br>
involves a balancing act. It may also be case-by-case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">I think what we are discussing now is actually the FoI issues - and good that we have transcripts. I also would like to offer - anyone - <br>
please - go to the concerns document, it still is in the drafting process (in its very inception) and do list your concerns .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever 2: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">@Anne - Destruction of buildings is not by far the same as showing videos of destruction. On this topic, also see the Manilla Principles.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: Enforcement in this document is about external enforcement. Internal enforcement is a valid point for future discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Paul McGrady: Problem of defining Respect and it being punted to WS2. did this get into constituencies etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: It was more of a policy discussion and drawing border between Respect and Protection.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">David McAuley: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">I recall the discussions around respect being about ICANN the organization rather than the commmunity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Is providing in the Registry Agreement that ICANN can direct the Registry to takedown any website that is clearly demonstrated <br>
or purposed toward Human Rights violations (e.g. sex trafficing of minors website) a matter of "external enforcment" or a matter of action <br>
taken to avoid contributing to Human Rights abuses? If ICANN supports policies that prevent law enforcement from getting to the perpetrators, then those <br>
policies would be contributing to Human Rights abuses. Or does ICANN say, "not my problem - out of scope". Good luck finding these people. We think it's fine <br>
if their location and contact information is completely private.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">David McAuley: We never really delved into respect neiter did we go beyond ICANN the organization.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">3. Discussion on: Concerns on possible impacts of Human Rights bylaw and FoI [1]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Ron da Silva: Board Concerns? These were well captured in the document. Unaware of any additional concerns vs those from WS1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): CHAT - </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">apart from concerns that the HR commitment would go "too far", we should also be careful in not weakening <br>
the current level of commitment according especially to article IV of the AoI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC) CHAT: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">This was a concern I expressed earlier - being bound to Article 4 without a Framework of Interpretation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">I would see that analysis (of the current level of commitment under current AoI and Bylaws) either as a staff supported <br>
endeavour or as a collective effort... not sure whether Lee could cope with it - I'm a bit reluctant to speak on his behalf :-S<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Tijani Ben Jemaa: we have to go forward with our narrow mission of creating an FOI - we should not add to our scope.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Niels Ten Oever: good point TBJ. I will draft a frame of this document to get us started next week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Discussion of what is the FOI?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Niels Ten Oever: Annex 6 of the CCWG report describes this quite well and provides some examples.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">4. Discussion on working tools of the Design Team (Wiki, mailinglist, Github, Google Docs, Etherpads, etc)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Niels Ten Oever: Problems with Googledocs - the only tools for collaborative working on text is Etherpad and Googledocs. Googledocs has more functionality <br>
so we will keep using it for now. If you have further comments on this please provide them on the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Tijani Ben Jemaa: Let us use what ICANN provides so everyone can contribute. The Wiki works well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Niels Ten Oever: lets take this to the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">5. AOB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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