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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2
<b>Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #2</b> – 8 September 2016 will be available here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/YhKsAw">https://community.icann.org/x/YhKsAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">A copy of the
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#18376A">n</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">otes may be found below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thank you</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#18376A">.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1D1D1D">With kind regards,</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#244185">Brenda Brewer </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<h3 style="margin-top:22.5pt;background:white"><strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Notes</span></strong><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></h3>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Welcome/Admin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina audio only for the moment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">No changes to SOIs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Document: <a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=61608546&preview=/61608546/61611662/CopyofWS2JurisdictionStaffIssuesPaper.pdf"><span style="color:#3B73AF">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=61608546&preview=/61608546/61611662/CopyofWS2JurisdictionStaffIssuesPaper.pdf</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">• Meeting Time Rotation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: will rotate between 1300 and 1900 slots leaving aside the 0500. May vary days of the week but will avoid 1900 on Friday.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: could we shift 1900 to 2000?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Bernard Turcotte: Schedule will be reviewed with change to daylight savings later in the fall.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">• Work Plan and Schedule Overview (attached). Looking to have a deliverable complete in February 2017. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=61608546&preview=/61608546/61611660/Jurisdiction%20Agenda%20and%20Overview%20for%20Meeting%202.pdf"><span style="color:#3B73AF">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=61608546&preview=/61608546/61611660/Jurisdiction%20Agenda%20and%20Overview%20for%20Meeting%202.pdf</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: This work plan assumes we are a Complex project. Presentation of the slide.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Milton Mueller: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">this schedule seems unrealistic to me. We take 2.5 months to develop a work plan and don't talk substance until December, then we complete our "deliverable" in only one month?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">David McAuley: We may be able to get into substance by asking participants to contribute to a gap analysis between the accountability framework that is being implemented vs its applicability vs jurisdictions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">Greg Shatan: Need a rolling list of action items. The first item should be this gap analysis.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Greg as to gap analysis you say in the doc that: I think there was a general conclusion that ICANN's current jurisdiction didn't result in any significant "gaps" <br>
relating to ICANN accountability. Whether there is a formal "gap analysis" is another question, and one we need to explore.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">David McAuley: Do not remember any formal gap analysis from WS1. This is about the settlement of disputes jursidiction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: there was no formal conclusion in WS1 that there was no gap.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> <strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Kavouss Arasteh: </span></strong> was NOTa general conclusion that ICANN's current jurisdiction didn't result in any significant "gaps" relating to ICANN accountability. Whether there is a <br>
formal "gap analysis" is another question, and one we need to explore.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">We had very general discussions - that is what we did... <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">anyway what is on the ws1 final papers is what represents our agreements...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">David McAuley: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">agree w/Kavouss re gap - we have to check<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">• Plan to Develop Detailed Work Plan & Schedule<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> • Plan for September/October (see attached)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> • Suggestions for overall Work Plan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> • Our Goal is a Deliverable <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">• Discussion of Scope<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> • Do we begin with Scope?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> • Jordan Carter lightning talk suggested being “upfront about our interests”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> • Detailed Reading of Google Doc (Staff Paper, as revised and annotated by Members of Subgroup)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Not in favor of Applicable Law?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: no issue since it is in Annex 12.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">David McAuley: disputes should include legal actions vs ICANN in various jurisdictions?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Milton Mueller: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">so jurisdictional effects on two distinct things: 1) accountability mechanisms; 2) actual operation of policies (whatever that means) And by 2) we are referring <br>
primarily to dispute resolution<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">At the same time we said that this refers "primarily" to 1) settlement of disputes, including choice of jurisdiction and applicable laws,
what disputes "within ICANN" means could also be useful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Within ICANN implies actors within ICANN but it would seem undluly restrictive to say this only includes ICANN's internal dispute resolution processes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">within ICANN I guess covers all parties affected by ICANN decisions and which may bring an internal claim against it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: why NOT NECESSARILY?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">David McAuley: From WS1 recollection the NECESSARILY comes in if the gap analysis notes that the accountability mechanisms are broken (material problem) because of jurisdiction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Edward Morris: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">My recollection is the same as David's<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">David McAuley: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Thanks Kavouss, and I think that is part of our task. Good question you asked.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Milton Mueller: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">I think many of these points could be best pursued on the list, in writing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">David McAuley: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">+1 Milton<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Avri Doria: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">so ICANN is only incorporated in one place and these lesser 'registrations' do not affect jurisdiction?
Registrations and their relation to incorporation are essentially different with respect to jurisdictional obligations? Is so where are jurisdictional issues related to multiple registrations dealt with?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Vinay Kesari: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Agree with Paul. I think ICANN has gone on record stating specifically that local offices are subject to local laws on issues such as employment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: best to use both email list and Google doc. As to this question is it not too detailed at this time?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Avri Doria: what is the status of the ICANN presence in non-US jurisdiction?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">Greg Shatan: Action Item - this should be answered by ICANN legal.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Samantha Eisner: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">We have to adhere to laws that allow us to have offices in different locations
but I can confirm that we have not incorporated in any other location<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Samantha Eisner: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">ICANN typically is a "branch" location or a registered foreign office equivalent <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Jeff Neuman: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">I would like to know the difference between "Engagement Centers", "HUBs", "Offices", etc/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Avri Doria:</span></strong><span class="apple-converted-space"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> </span></b></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Not incorporated?
Also not registered as some sort of company?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Jeff Neuman: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Is there a way to get those definitions from ICANN staff?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Jeff Neuman: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">I have to admit I never understood Fadi's distinctions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Samantha Eisner:</span></strong><span class="apple-converted-space"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> </span></b></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Yes,
Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Will start the next version of the google doc and circulate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Vinay Kesari: </span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">Hi Avri, many countries (India for example) allow a foreign company to set up a <br>
representative/ branch office locally. This is not a separate legal entity, can't sue/ be sued. But it <br>
requires a registration<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> • Creation of Scope Document?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">• Other Potential Inputs to our Work<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> • More Detailed Review of Lightning Talks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> • Pertinent Literature (influenced by Scope)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> • Experts/Legal Advice <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333">• AOB<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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