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<div>If I remember correctly, RFC1591 specifies the rights to registration for .int. So opening up would depend on a policy process? As the policy "authority " is RFC1591 I guess the process would not be in ICANN?<br>
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On 16 Sep 2016, at 10:27, Christopher Wilkinson <<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div><span>Nigel: If and when this question comes onto the table, I would expect it to be scrutinised for several months by the GAC, among other interested parties.</span><br>
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<span>Personally, I would see no likelihood of .INT being 'opened up'. </span><br>
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