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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Yes, Bradley<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Paul and I seem to be in agreement with you. Your enumeration of the problems associated with time limits mirror many of the concerns I raised in my initial
message. I like the way you clarify the danger that expiration of a time limit would effectively make something presumptively “within mission” – this is a one-way valve that can only result in mission creep if we are not careful how we define the beginning
and end of the time period and what triggers it. We might want to extend it to a year.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I agree with you also that exceeding the mission may be a harm in and of itself. The idea that someone has to prove harm to themselves to make a mission-based
challenge has always struck me as a severe limitation. On the other hand, it does protect ICANN from frivolous use of the challenge; it is clear that mission challenges could be exploited to tie things up.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dr. Milton L Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Professor,
<a href="http://spp.gatech.edu/"><span style="color:#0563C1">School of Public Policy</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Georgia Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Internet Governance Project
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="http://internetgovernance.org/"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://internetgovernance.org/</span></a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">All,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I wanted to weigh in because it appears that the discussion is veering towards an acceptance of a six month period as a possible time limitation for bringing
challenges to ICANN exceeding the bounds of its mission. Please correct me if I’ve missed anything that’s already been said that would address my questions below.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If there is a time limitation, does this mean if no-one brings a challenge within the specific time, that such a challenge is barred forever more? So for better
or worse, that particular policy or practice is then effectively grandfathered into the mission? If so, then to avoid the possibility of mission creep, we should be sure that the time limitation for a claim is sufficiently long and/or flexible to take into
account a number of factors, including the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The length of time between the board’s adoption of a policy, its implementation and the time taken for parties to assess the impact thereof. (This could
be 5 or more years).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The possibility that implementation of a policy or practice may evolve over a period of time in a way that only later raises questions about its link
to ICANN’s Mission. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The later emergence of facts or circumstances which cast the practice/policy in a new light, such that its compliance with the mission are called into
question. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The possibility that harm or injury may be difficult to show without evidence gathered over a significant period of time (a year or more) to demonstrate
its impact.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The possibility that something may be incompatible with ICANN’s mission, and yet not cause any direct injury. (Is the injury a fundamental requirement
for a mission challenge? Where is the source for that requirement?) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Bradley Silver<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris LaHatte<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 27, 2016 12:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L; Phil Corwin; Mike Rodenbaugh<br>
<b>Cc:</b> CCWG Accountability<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] time limits on mission challenges<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D">For what it’s worth, the Ombudsman Framework has a 60 day period to make complaints. We haven’t always been rigid on that, but we are perhaps different from the Recon
and IRP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D">Chris LaHatte<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D">Consultant to the Ombudsman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-NZ" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mueller, Milton L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 26, 2016 1:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>>; Mike Rodenbaugh <<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> CCWG Accountability <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] time limits on mission challenges<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">OK, two eminent lawyers have suggested 6 months, I could go with 6 months<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 26, 2016 1:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Rodenbaugh <<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>>; Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> CCWG Accountability <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CCWG-ACCT] time limits on mission challenges<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Agreed Mike, and I was writing the exact same suggestion just as yours came in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Rodenbaugh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 26, 2016 1:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L<br>
<b>Cc:</b> CCWG Accountability<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] time limits on mission challenges<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Milton, but think the time should be even longer, six months is still a very short and rare "statute of limitations" for any legal claim. And I don't see what harm could occur even if it was one year. But six months seems
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Date of injury could occur at any time after a policy is passed. I would favor that as the marker.
I would favor 3-4 months after date of injury as the time limit for filing a claim. I see no reason to have short time limits on time to file. People need to consult with lawyers, assess their damages, etc. No important policy objective is gained by limiting
that time period to 45 days, relative to two or three months. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 24, 2016 9:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Kavouss Arasteh' <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Phil Corwin' <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>>; Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>>; 'MSSI Secretariat' <<a href="mailto:mssi-secretariat@icann.org" target="_blank">mssi-secretariat@icann.org</a>>;
'CCWG Accountability' <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CCWG-ACCT] time limits on mission challenges</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I can’t speak for Milton, but my own view is that for allegations of a violation of the Mission limitation it should
be a rule that sets a limit (45 or 60 days) from the date on which the right to bring an action accrues. That, in turn, would be the later of the date of discovery or the date of injury (assuming that both knowledge of and injury by the alleged action are
necessary components of standing to bring a suit).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kavouss Arasteh [<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>>; Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>>; MSSI Secretariat <<a href="mailto:mssi-secretariat@icann.org" target="_blank">mssi-secretariat@icann.org</a>>;
CCWG Accountability <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] time limits on mission challenges</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">2016-09-22 20:40 GMT+02:00 Paul Rosenzweig <<a href="mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com" target="_blank">paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The purpose of repose is certainty. But the purpose of mission-based limitations on ICANN’s ability to act are far more fundamental values involving
the constraint on the corporation. I, too, left the room early, but had I been present I would have voiced opposition to an absolute limitations period that does not have a “discovery” or “effect” re-opener. It is entirely possible, given standing principles,
for there to be a policy that has no effect on an adversely effected party for longer than 2 years after adoption. An absolute bar would prevent the correction of that foundational error.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I can even see a statute of limitations for issues not relating to the violation of core mission restrictions – but if we adopt a bar to action that
does not allow for initiation upon discovery of the alleged error, we encourage concealment. I’m with Milton and Phil on this one</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Corwin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 22, 2016 10:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>>; MSSI Secretariat <<a href="mailto:mssi-secretariat@icann.org" target="_blank">mssi-secretariat@icann.org</a>>; CCWG Accountability <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] time limits on mission challenges</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I think this is a valid point –</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">My view is that IF there is to be a timer (which I do not accept), the timer has to start from the specific application of the policy to affected individuals, not with its passage or implementation.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">While still considering whether there should be any “statute of limitations” or “laches”-like time restrictions on the bringing of IRP
challenges, certainly the clock should start running from the moment that actual harm is manifest, rather than from the time of adoption of a policy at which point the negative effect may be completely hypothetical or even unforeseeable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mueller, Milton L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 22, 2016 10:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> MSSI Secretariat; CCWG Accountability<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [CCWG-ACCT] time limits on mission challenges</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hello,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I had to leave the call early before the time limits on the IRP challenges were discussed.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I am a bit surprised, even shocked by the willingness of some people to impose strict limits on IRP challenges based on mission limitations.
I cannot conceive of what the US or EU governments would be like if legal challenges to transgressions of fundamental rights had to conform to time limits. Help me understand this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I understand the argument about “finality” but I think people who make that argument are fundamentally misunderstanding what the mission
limitations and IRP challenges are for and how they should function. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">ICANN policies easily take 2-3 years just to be fully implemented. The effects of mission-exceeding policies may not be actually felt
by individuals or companies for 3, 4 or 5 years after they are passed. It is also possible that a policy that was passed and seems to be within the mission at the time it was passed, will later be applied in a way that shows that it can be used to exceed mission
limitations. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">So what triggers this 2 year time limit? When does the clock start? Does it start with the _<i>passage</i>_ of the policy in the first
place? Does it start with _<i>implementation</i>_? Does it start with the specific action or _<i>application</i>_ of the policy that results in the harm? At the very least, this needs to be clarified. My view is that IF there is to be a timer (which I do not
accept), the timer has to start from the specific application of the policy to affected individuals, not with its passage or implementation.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I think the misunderstanding that I saw in the notes is based on the idea that mission-based challenges will occur just after we _<i>pass</i>_
a policy. So people arguing for “finality” as saying they want it to be clear whether a policy is in effect or not. I understand this argument, but since mission limitation challenges are based on harm done to individuals, we have to talk of time limits in
the context of when and where they are actually applied to individuals, and we have to give plenty of time for that harm to manifest itself.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">If, for example, you modify the UDRP in a way that turns out to enable abuse by parties who want to censor web sites, you can’t start
a 2-year timer when the policy is passed or implemented, you have to start it when someone takes an action that effectively censors someone by applying the policy to their domain. If you don’t do that, the whole system could be gamed by the abusers simply
waiting out the 2 year time limit and exploiting the policy after it expires.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I also think we should be able to object to a policy as transgressing mission limitations when it is passed, just as in liberal democracies
one can mount a legal challenge to a law as being unconstitutional before it actually goes into effect. But these kinds of appeals could legitimately have a time limit.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Sorry I was not able to be there to make these points in person.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dr. Milton L. Mueller</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Georgia Institute of Technology</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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