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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2
<b>Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #6</b>– 5 October 2016 will be available here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/RQi4Aw">
https://community.icann.org/x/RQi4Aw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A copy of the
<span style="color:#101C45">n</span>otes may be found below.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you<span style="color:#101C45">.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#111111">With kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#15205F">Brenda Brewer </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</b>-<b> </b>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes (including relevant parts of chat):</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">20 participants at the start of the meeting.</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">1. Welcome</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: No changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2. Scope of our Work</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: I believe we have not yet settled the scope of our work. We can look at the EFFECTS of the place of incorporation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): Is there any new proposal on the scope of our work? We still have Annex 12 approved by the community in Marrakech - that should be
our basis...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: Annex 12, paragraph 30 seems pretty clear: At this point WS2’s focus should be on the settlement of dispute jurisdiction issues – in that effort we
should include confirming and assessing not the “gap” but the “gap analysis” –meaning, IMO, the provisions we have put in place for dispute resolutions – will they/do they work?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jean-Jacques Subrenat: For item 3 on our agenda, I will refer to a document of which I was a co-author, "Improving Institutional Confidence of ICANN", see<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://archive.icann.org/en/psc/iic/improving-confidence-ne.pdf"><span style="color:#3B73AF">archive.icann.org/en/psc/iic/improving-confidence-ne.pdf</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): I feel the discussion on scope gets us into a circle... until we do not tackle the issues potentially under the scope agreed in Marrakech
we won't see whether they are or not off-limits<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: It feels quite good - you miss the couple of calls due to the tight travel schedule, and here we go - moving headquarters, not moving headquarters.
My opinion stays the same - this is comletely out of scope. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: Jorge, a rare case when I agree with you :D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: Our job is to look at alternatives vs dispute resolution period.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jean-Jacques Subrenat: 1) In "Improving Institutional Confidence" 2008-09, I as one of the co-authors had proposed the notion of "additional jurisdiction", rather
than "alternative jurisdiction". This was important: ICANN Headquarters would not change, but jurisdiction could be added for non-contract aspects.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Phil Corwin: vs arguing if it is in scope - does it make any sense discussing this possibility given there are no gaps, we have spent much money and time on making
this under California law. Looking at alternates would be a significant undertaking which would long expensive and arduous. Agree with DM vs our scope. I agree with one of the previous speakers (David?) that we could agree to distinguish 2 things, contract-related
items (US/California jurisdiction) and other items (conflict resolution, etc).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): I agree with David and Phil here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: PC and DM seem like logical conclusions. Worth noting that the gNSO council has passed a condition on the CCWG budget that it could not support work in
the CCWG wrt moving ICANN's location of incorporation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio: I wish to reiterate relative to scope - we have a scope from WS1 recommendation 12 - we should live with the AMBIGUITY for the moment. It would be more
efficient to go to specific discussions and then we will see if there are issues that are out of scope. To have this scope beforehand is putting the cart before the horse.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: PC's remarks have moved us past scope to the realism of moving ICANN. What are your thoughts on this JC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio: This is scope. (car analogy).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: since the remit of this group is 9 months it would seem unrealistic to think we would change the engine on the car in that time. (reads JJS comments from
chat because of audio issues).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Pedro da Silva: My comment is in line with JC - at this point of time this does not make sense and it is probable that when we complete our analysis of issues we will
have the same conclusion but it will be stronger -so we should not deal with this at this point.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Finn Petersen, GAC - DK: Denmark is of the view that it is not within our scope to recommend moving ICANN’s Place of Incorporation or Headquarters Location from California.
But if anybody can point to potential problems, we might look into means to address such problems without changing ICANN’s place of incorporation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: As a member of IRP there are issues that are related to IRP and touch on Jurisdiction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): @David: thanks, hope that we keep efforts in parallel well coordinated...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: straw vote for this or not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tijani Ben Jemaa: uncomfortable with this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): For the reasons given I step away from such a straw poll<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: many of our participants are arguing for this which is why I am bringing this up. Many green ticks no objections.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jean-Jacques Subrenat 2: @Greg: I agree that "moving the headquarters out of California" is not an urgent matter. We should examine what ADDITIONAL jurisdictions could
achieve, for specific purposes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">3. Is the Possibility of Moving ICANN’s Place of Incorporation or Headquarters Location from California in Scope?</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">4. Confirming and Assessing the Gap Analysis</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">a. “Gap” analyzed in Work Stream 1</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">b. Result of Gap Analysis in Work Stream 1</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">c. How should we confirm the WorkStream 1</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> Gap Analysis?</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">5. Multiple Layers of Jurisdiction</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jean-jacques Subrenat: (continuing issues) Multiple layers is interesting but what are the purposes of having additional jurisdictions (additional vs alternate). Second
remark (dropped audio),<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Why are we not using Adobe audio JJS - most use it for visual but audio is on phone because of quality issues. Any comments on the slide?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Pedro da Silva: This is a good start. and how we should start our work. Would like a week to comment on this to see if we need to add to this. After that we could
look at each of these as to how they affect the work of ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Phil Corwin: There is a difference between types of contracts - registries and registrars should probably be under US law just for uniformity. Other parties such as
real estate in other countries is another issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jean-Jacques Subrenat 2: @Greg: I suggest we use "additional jurisdictions" to avoid confusion about wanting to change headquarters or not. I was also saying it would
be useful to examine several tasks where an additional jurisdiction would be useful, e.g. hiring people outside the US (employment, insurance, taxes).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: A third category could be for the choice of law for enforcing the decisions of the Empowered Community. Encourage everyone to read JC's email. Contracts
with contracted parties are silent on choice of law or venue - we should confirm this. Let us look and comment on the slide in Google doc for comments. Next meeting 1900UTC Monday. Adjourned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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