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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2
<b>Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #7</b>– 10 October 2016 will be available here:&nbsp;
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/mxC4Aw">https://community.icann.org/x/mxC4Aw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A copy of the
<span style="color:#0E1435">n</span>otes may be found below.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you<span style="color:#0E1435">.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#0E1435">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#0E0E0E">With kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#11154C">Brenda Brewer&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#0E0E0E">MSSI Projects &amp; Operations Assistant</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none;border:none;padding:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#0E0E0E">ICANN<b>
</b>-<b> </b>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#262626">Notes
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes (including relevant parts of chat):</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">16 participants at start of call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">1. Welcome</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: No one on phone only. No changes to SOIs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2. Discussion of Approach: Our work so far, and a way forward (see email)</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; a. Changing ICANN's headquarters or incorporation jurisdiction</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; i.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Will not be investigated at this time</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ii.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Not off the table -- If an issue is identified and we can’t find a less drastic solution, will revisit this point, including concerns raised, in the context of the
 identified issue.</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Is this proposal ok? No comments. Assume no objections.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; b. Confirm and Assessing Gap Analysis</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; i.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Discussion has largely been about scope and not about confirmation and assessment</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ii.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Put to the side and revisit after work on substantive issue that is clearly “in scope”</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Any issues with the proposal? No comments. Assume no objections.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><strong><span style="font-family:Arial">&nbsp;c. We will continue discussion of Multiple Layers of Jurisdiction document</span></strong><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: No comments. Assume to objections.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><strong><span style="font-family:Arial">d. We will begin discussion of the “In Scope” Issue: The influence of ICANN’s existing jurisdictions relating
 to resolution of disputes (i.e., choice of law and venue) on the actual operation of policies and accountability mechanisms &nbsp;</span></strong><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: No comments. Assume to objections. Overall comments?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: Support the proposal overall and would propose doing D initially vs C.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: I think we need to spend a little time on C so we all have a common understanding of what we mean by jurisdiction. It is not meant to be an exhaustive review of the layers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): Thanks Greg, sounds fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton Mueller: Support GS approach. Uncertain why put aside the gap analysis?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: there has been a diversity views on this and no consensus by this group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh 2: Greg, I think you have proposed to put aside GAP analysis, why? I have no problem if we start with layers and then come back to GAP Alaysis - can you assure that we will not take
 jurisdiction off the table<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">3. Multiple Layers of Jurisdiction</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">(Multiple Layers of Jurisdiction document)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Jurisdiction of Incorporation definition. No comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh 2: This document is written in a confusing manner perhaps to make it difficult to understand. It has been copied from the text of the WS1 which was also vague.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Jurisdiction of Headquarters proposed definition. No issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh 2: Grec, I have no problem for these cases , pls advise if there is an issue outside these places what would happened? the description of the multilayer as copied from the text of
 WS1 is vague ,unclear and requires streamlining - again and again, we should not just discuss the periphery of the case but the center of the issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Places of physical presence.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: Is ICANN incorporated in some of these other places of presence? Maybe ICANN legal can help.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Ok to ask ICANN Legal - but to my understanding a company can only be incorporated once and in one place. You may have to register with local authorities for doing business.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh 2: 1. review the description as contained in WS1 and make it clear , understandable<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Samantha Eisner: ICANN is not incorporated anywhere else. It is a registered foreign office or branch office equivalent in all other places.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Jurisdiction for Interpretation of contracts (choice of law or governing law).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tijani Ben Jemaa: The real issue is the choice of the judge. As to Jorge's comment - who has the choice of applicable law?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): the parties may in agreements determine the applicable law, as well as about the venue, provider etc of the dispute resolution.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Doing that at the time of a dispute is always an issue. Always best to do ahead of time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton Mueller: you are saying that the Registry Agreement does not provide parties with choice of law?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jeff Neuman: correct @milton<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton Mueller: Same for RAA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jeff Neuman: same with Registrar Accreditation Agreement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): in the base registry agreement there are some provisions for specific cases where commitments conflict with applicable national law...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton Mueller: Yes, Jorge that's what I thought<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jeff Neuman: BUT, the venue is always in LA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): there are some specific rules for governmental entities and IGOs I think<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jeff Neuman: For the Registrars it uses the American Arbitration Assocation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Jurisdiction of Litigation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: WRT venue - we should not confuse with IRP which is essentially meant to be venue less.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): My comments in the Google Doc are pointers of issues that could be improved (i.e. they are on the normative level) - but it's true that first we need a good factual
 description of the current situation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): ok - will put the thought in google doc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton Mueller: NTIA requirements are no longer required and this should be removed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Think this is still valid.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Samantha Eisner: Requirements derived from NTIA's criteria are included in the WS2 Bylaw in Article 27<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: I believe the NTIA requirements remain in effect for WS2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton Mueller: How can they?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: as Sam says they are part of the transition bylaws.&nbsp; after WS2, then it is arguable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton Mueller: NTIA transition requirements are just that: transition requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jeff Neuman: So lets dismiss the work &quot;NTIA&quot; and substitute Article 27 of the Bylaws<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Pedro da Silva - [GAC Brasil]: Although I fully support the requirements set out for the transition, I agree with Milton here. Number 7 is not a proper layer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: good points will clean up the document. Encourage everyone to put their comments in the Google doc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): Thanks Greg - let us know when doc is cleaned up and we can go back in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tijani Ben Jemaa: Agree with MM - no need for this (7) layer here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton Mueller: Support deleting it and Article is not really relevant.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): I think Jeff's idea makes sense - call it art. 27<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Invite everyone to look at Article 27 C. This applies to all sub-groups.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: I agree with David and Jeff makes sense for now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton Mueller: we can't change anything major &quot;tomorrow&quot; (vs NTIA requirements)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: I think they are not &quot;requirements&quot; anymore but rather principles we want to follow?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: encourage everyone to think about the next piece of work - item 4 of the agenda. Adjourned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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