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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The notes, recordings and transcripts for the IRP-IOT
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Meeting #11 – 22 November 2016 will be available here:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/VQ6sAw">https://community.icann.org/x/VQ6sAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> A copy of the notes may be found below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Brenda<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">1. Introduction/SOIs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2. Organizational Matters: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> a. Meetings schedule<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Bernard Turcotte: current reserved schedule is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">23 November 1300<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2 December 1900<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">16 December 1900<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">13 January 1900<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">27 January 1900<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: we will review at the end of this meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> b. Sub-Teams?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: too early to discuss.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">3. IoT Tasks Ahead (generally)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: we have received a number of requests after having presented the Supplementary Rules to the CCWG plenary and obtained approval for public consultation. How should we handle these?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Becky Burr: JC has asked about translation. KC had a point about joinder and if additional rules were needed for this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: Were these discussed in Hyderabad?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Becky Burr: no these were simply noted as questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: As such we should proceed to the public consultation with the documents as presented in Hyderabad - any objections? (none).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Is it the intention to issue a revised set of suppl. rules. and would we then have another round of public consultation?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: good question, uncertain.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Becky Burr: we anticipated that these would be iterative going forward. There is no requirement for these to go to public comment. We need the suppl. rules done ASAP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: there is another issue wrt timing that has been going on via the list between BB and MH (presentation of issue per email discussion). Are we ok to go forward with the current language
on this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Becky Burr: 45 days of becoming aware of material affect and in any case no later than 1 year after the action/inaction giving rise to the bylaws violation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Chris Disspain: that's what I recall was agreed Becky<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Becky Burr: I think there is concern about the meaning of that provision. There is no substantive disagreement - simply concern that the wording may not properly represent the requirement. The time
period starts when the policy is enforced (and not approved).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: do you think the current wording is ok for this BB?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Becky Burr: yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Malcolm Hutty: There is little difference between our positions of intent but not comfortable that the words will be interpreted as such. We need to be more clear.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: I am in agreement with Becky.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Chris Disspain: hasn't this gone out for public comment?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: not yet Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Becky Burr: this also can be an issue for public comment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Chris Disspain: well, that was what I was going to say...Malcolm, how do you think the words would be interpreted?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Becky Burr: it has to be the party - the materially affected party has standing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: MH it would seem the best way forward on this issue could be for it to be brought up in the public comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Chirs Dispain: what it sounds like is that some of us are clear - what is it that is unclear?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Becky Burr: I think we can go out for public comment and ask Holly to provide an explanation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Malcolm Hutty: (registrant example of rule being applied two years later.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Becky Burr: This example is particularly complicated and extremely unlikely. Part of issue is whether it is action or inaction of ICANN or the registry or registrar.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Becky Burr: ;Let's just say that a policy that is facially invalid can be challenged any time<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Malcolm Hutty: a registrant can bring such a challenge and if we restrict this then we are going against the Bylaws.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Chris Dispain: what we are talking about is timing - the right for a registrant to bring an IRP is absolute. The current set of rules have been approved by the CCWG in Hyderabad - any comments should
be provided in the public consultation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Becky Burr; provided, however, that a Consensus Policy that cannot be applied consistent with ICANN"s Bylaws can be challenged by a Materially Affected Party at any time. or Malcolm, you and I
can propose a change to address facially invalid provisions in the comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Chris Dispain: There is no problem with making these comments in the public consultation. Any form of substantive change to the document would need to go to a second round of public comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: We need to move forward and as such would request to we ask MH to submit this as a comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Becky Burr: I would suggest that in the meantime that we ask for an opinion from Sidley on this question and if there is an issue we could request suggested fixes while the public consultation is
ongoing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: We would essentially be asking Sidley a question for a comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Malcolm Hutty: would support this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: Myself, BB and MH will develop a question for Sidley.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">4. Supplemental Rules – clarification/work?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: will not have a call on Dec2 and will maintain Dec 16 call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Marianne Georgelin: The time is not convinient for europeans<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: Agreed but would ask for indulgence for the December 16 call – will review meeting times at that call. Adjourned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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