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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif">Hello all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif">The notes & the chat for CCWG Accountability WS2
<b>Reviewing the CEP </b>from <b>23 November 2016 @ 13:00 UTC</b> are available below.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif">Thank you<span style="color:#101C45">.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#3333FF">Kindest Regards,</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#3333FF">Yvette Guigneaux</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#3333FF">Multi-Stakeholder & Strategic Initiative Assistant</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F497D">ICANN |</span></i></b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F497D">
<b>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers</b></span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F497D">12025 Waterfront Drive, Playa Vista, CA 90094</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:yvette.guigneaux@icann.org">yvette.guigneaux@icann.org</a> |
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www.icann.org[icann.org]</a></span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif">Notes<span style="color:#1F497D">:</span><o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I. Introduction, SOI, roll call<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ed Morris: No SOI updates. Review of agenda.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">II. Report from Hyderabad India: Meeting with Becky Burr<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ed Morris: Confirmed with BB that the CEP that there remains a financial incentive. Also instead of starting from scratch we should look at mediation providers for their rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">III. Bylaws<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ana Lupe:(presentation of slides)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ed Morris: Mediator vs CEP and can a mediator be present at the first meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Chris Disspain: It is possible where ICANN would only be a facilitator. (.wine example). Some form of termination must be present so it is not used as a delaying tactic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">IV. CEP Rules<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Farzaneh Badii: usually in arbitration there is a requirement that parties negotiate prior to starting arbitration. So, do we want a mediation process, or negotiation or conciliation.
We need to know what is type of conflicts we are looking to resolve.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ed Morris: SE mentioned the value of old CEP was the informal nature. Under the new Bylaws we seem to possibly moving towards mediation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Farzaneh Badii: We have to understand if we want a third party present officially. Also have to consider confidentiality requirements - have to weigh possibility of resolving vs
the need for other parties to know in some cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ana Loup: worth considering when we engage with parties who have been involved in CEP at ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Chris Disspain: Have you considered if we need CEP at all if there is a potential for mediation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ed Morris: I have considered in the past.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Chris Disspain: We need a process to be a precursor to IRP - it could simply a mediation process for which there are a lot of existing rules and providers for such services.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ed Morris: This is appealing especially given the current CEP is a hybrid which is sometimes difficult to frame and understand.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ana Loup: If CEP was reframed as a conventional mediation it might get more participation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Chris Disspain: If there is a mediation step to IRP is there a need for CEP also - or we can merge mediation with CEP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Alan Greenberg: SOunds like worth at least a discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">V. How to engage with community members with CEP
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> experience? A discussion / proposed solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> (Not addressed on call).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">VI. Way forward<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ed Morris: we have a problem finding people who have been through CEP.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">VII. AOB<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ed Morris: will reach out to David McAuley on the topic of CEP vs Mediation as a pre IRP and then present some questions to the plenary next week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif">Yvette Guigneaux: Welcome all to the WS2 - Reviewing the CEP Subgroup Meeting #2 | Wednesday, 23 November @ 13:00 UTC!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Olevie: Good morning from Lome, Togo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Yvette Guigneaux: Good morning Olevie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Edward Morris: Hello everybody!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Anna Loup: Hello!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Farzaneh Badii: Hi there. I am listening with one ear here, so apologies in advance if I miss something
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Farzaneh Badii: oops that came out as odd! I meant I had to combine attending this meeting with other things : )
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: hello all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Chris Disspain: greetings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Chris Disspain: I am both on the phone and adobe but will drop off from adobe in 20 minutes or so<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Farzaneh Badii: if it was a confidential process how can people tell us about their experience?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Farzaneh Badii: we have to clarify that
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Yvette Guigneaux: they do now Ed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Yvette Guigneaux: Scrolling available for all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Edward Morris: Thanks Yvette<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Sam Lanfranco, NPOC/csih: Greeting to all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Farzaneh Badii: I like the idea of ditching CEP.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Anna Loup: agreed
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Sam Lanfranco, NPOC/csih: From what little I understand at this point, either mediation, or a CEP as a mediation step before an IRP would be both more efficient and more
effective.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Chris Disspain: Droping from adobe but still on phone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Sam Lanfranco, NPOC/csih: Question: Would mediation be manditory or optional prior to IRP?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Farzaneh Badii: so we will have a Chinese Med/Arb : )
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Alan Greenberg: SOunds like worth at least a discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> avri doria: i have sent both questions off to the IOT list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Farzaneh Badii: but do they want to share?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Farzaneh Badii: next week?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Farzaneh Badii: I wont be there
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Farzaneh Badii: but it's ok. : )
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Farzaneh Badii: no questions. thank you
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> avri doria: i guess i should not have sent a note already. oh well. will pull back to background.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Sam Lanfranco, NPOC/csih: okay<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Anna Loup: thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:150%"><span style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> Edward Morris: Thanks everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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