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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello all,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 Meeting #9 – 30 November 2016 will be available here:&nbsp;
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/-Y7DAw">https://community.icann.org/x/-Y7DAw</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A copy of the notes and action items may be found below.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">With kind regards,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Brenda Brewer&nbsp;</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">MSSI Projects &amp; Operations Assistant</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in">ICANN<b> </b>-<b> </b>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:22.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Action Items<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#0432FF">Action Item - please update slide accordingly.<br>
Action Item - We will have a call of expressions of interest for our participation in this groups.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:22.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes (including relevant parts of chat):</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">1.&nbsp; Introduction, update to SOIs, reminder on standards of behaviour</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Leon Sanchez: Updates to SOIs (none).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2.&nbsp; Administration</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Leon Sanchez: IRP-IOT Public Comment period open. No Comments. Presentation of WS2 timeline.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Sebastien Bachollet: Ombudsman - the review of the Ombudsman office will cause us to be late - so this is a request to move to track 1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Leon Sanchez:&nbsp;</span><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Action Item - please update slide accordingly.</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: changing of tracks should be decided by the plenary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Leon Sanchez: KA this is what we are doing here. this being said SB’s request seems to be reasonable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Alan Greenberg: If we refuse to honour change request from subgroups, what punishment do we extract if they then do not deliver?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: The original choice was made by the subgroup, so I think changes should be up to the subgroup as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Robin Gross [GNSO-NCSG]: Good point, Alan.&nbsp; We are volunteers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Alan Greenberg: Perhaps remove rapporteur and replace with people who refuse to agree to their request.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: how did track 2 become shorter time frame than track 1?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Alan Greenberg: Track 2 allocation was simply those groups who hoped to deliver quickly. Reality has a way of changing our perceptions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: @Avri, I think it always was, or there's a numbering issue.&nbsp; I can assure you that the Juris SG was always on the long track.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: KA co-chairs will be monitoring this closely.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Leon Sanchez: Travel assistance presentation for ICANN58<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">3.&nbsp; Legal Committee</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Leon Sanchez: Replacement of Athina Fragkouli by Michael Abejuela. Also we have not had any response from ICANN legal to the questions we have forwarded.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Sebastien Bachollet: when the LC makes a decision of who to send it to should it not come back to the sub-group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Leon Sanchez: We will&nbsp; receive input and then share that response and then decide if we need further input.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">4.&nbsp; Follow up on Action Items from ICANN 57 Hyderabad</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Thomas Rickert: Response to SC sent. Letter to SOAC chairs on ATRT3 has been drafted and will be sent in the next few days. Would ask the members to track this in their respective SOACs. SOAC accountability
 sub-group request<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Have not received any responses yet but we are being updated on the progress regarding this in various SOACs. As such it would seem that we will be receiving replies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Thomas Rickert: the GAC is considering its response and hope to submit for the end of next week. Any question regarding this? Onto Transparency.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: ccNSO contribution also being considered by council now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Chris Wilson: the intention is to provide a revised draft for next week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Thomas Rickert: Re discussions with Goran Marby. Concern regarding the complaints officer reporting to legal, the name complaints officer, the relationship to the Ombudsman, the use of the word
 Organization as well as participation in the 5 internal staff groups.&nbsp;<br>
</span><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Action Item - We will have a call of expressions of interest for our participation in this groups.</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jordan Carter: what would the commitment be to participate?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Thomas Rickert: We will provide that information with the request for an expression of interest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): could you circulate this info (Thomas just explained) on list?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair: Use of the word Organization - many feel it is, and has always been, all of ICANN including the community - and as such disagree with shifting the use to only mean
 staff (as opposed to calling staff Staff). Concern with the Complaints Officer reporting to ICANN legal. Concern with calling it the Complaints Officer, several alternate suggestions including Issues Office etc.5 internal groups - can the CCWG participate?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">5.&nbsp; Updates/Presentation from sub-groups</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: will start with SOAC Acct.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Presentation of update. Have requested to move delivery to track 1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: Niels ten Oever could not attend today - he has reported great progress in Hyderabad and a document is being discussed which we hope will be sent to the plenary for consideration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Ed Morris: Presentation of slides.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: It may be good to call this a negotiation - but what the CEP group could do is add some formality around it - maybe using the IRP secretariat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Sebastien Bachollet: Why do this twice for the same topic?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Alan Greenberg: Not designing process for the sake of process - we have been asked to do this - we probably need case studies to understand this properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): I think input from Sam or Amy Stathos on prior experience would be helpful<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Mediator is a good idea at this point. DM recognizes we may need to make changes to the Bylaws if we go this way. A mediator would level the playing field.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Berry Cobb: For the CEP topic, this is also being discussed (briefly at this stage) within the Subsequent Rnds PDP.&nbsp; I suspect further deliberations will continue at least as to how the process
 worked or could be improved as it relates to the 2012 round.&nbsp; The WS2-CEP team may want to keep a tab on any of those discussions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: couldn't the form of the mediation be open to the mediator based on their experience and what they see facing them?&nbsp; if we had mediation that is.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Robin Gross [GNSO-NCSG]: One of the main problems of the CEP is the lack of meaningful written rules about the process<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: I accept that the bylaws are not cut in stone and could be changed is necessary.&nbsp; judging whether it is necessary or not remains a question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: I'd be open to flexibility and exercise of judgment of the mediator (after all, a mediation is only as good as the judgment of the mediator) but the overall concept is to facilitate
 the negotiation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: EM you have been given a number of suggestions. AG's suggestion is good. Would suggest you come back to the plenary with a suggestion so we can discuss this. Next question EM?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Ed Morris: IRP encourages conciliation discussion - is it the same as CEP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: Sensible Bylaw and we will deal with it in the IRP-IOT.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill:&nbsp; we have cleared up the second question and the IOT will be handling the conciliation aspect.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Jurisdiction - after 11 meetings we are nowhere. We discuss things and then put them aside and go to other things. Main issue is immunity - there are 2 meanings - uncertain which
 one we are talking about.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Disagree with the characterization of the group - do agree we are having difficulties agreeing on what we should be doing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh 3: Greg, yes, we agree to disagree .Then we will get no where<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: There is the work some agreed to do, and there is the work that is called for in the Bylaws and the Recommendations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Pedro da Silva - [GAC Brasil]: I don't agree that the work to put together a questionnaire has been complicated. We just need to agree on the formulation of a third additional question and that
 is it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: We have not yet agreed that a third question will go out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Edward Morris: Thanks Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): I see it as progress yes Pedro<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: I get frustrated with Jurisdiction work but this is just a reflection of how difficult the work is and Greg is doing good work leading the group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Indeed David kinda why it is called &quot;building consensus&quot; it is actual Work1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Pedro da Silva - [GAC Brasil]: @Greg: there was considerable support for it and I don't see why the coRapporteurs do not recognize it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): Just lost connection... but to sum my comment up: all are invited to contribute to the two docs we are working on. And we have to find agreement on the three questions
 to be sent out to stakeholders worldwide on their experiences with ICANN jurisdiction<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: There was both support and opposition.&nbsp; We'll need to work it out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): &#43;1 Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Yup<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: disagree with how questions were drafted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): Let' work on the two docs with specific ideas and wording. And let's be flexible on the questions being drafted - after all we are asking for input from the wider
 community<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Pedro da Silva - [GAC Brasil]: &#43;1 Jorge&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: Optimism is the triumph of hope over experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: I am following the work of this work very closely. There is progress that is being made although it is slow. We need to trust the process. Let us work on finding areas of agreement
 and we can build on this. We look forward to an update from the group on the next plenary. Moving to AOB now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Nathalie Vergonelle: update on publication of dashboard - still waiting for input from 4 groups.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill:&nbsp; We have cancelled the call the call next week. Adjourned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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