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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The notes, recordings and transcripts for WS2
<b>SO/AC Subgroup Meeting #13 </b>from <b>1 December 2016 @ 13:00 UTC</b> will be available here:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/XoTDAw">https://community.icann.org/x/XoTDAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> A copy of the notes and chat are found below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1D1D1D">With kind regards,</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#244185">Brenda Brewer, Projects & Operations Assistant</span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Verdana"><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1D1D1D">Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives (MSSI)
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none;border:none;padding:0in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1D1D1D">ICANN<b>
</b>-<b> </b>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1D1D1D">Action Items<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt">ACTION (drafting team): Update google doc with today's discussion, and distribute to the list.<o:p></o:p></span></b></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1D1D1D">Notes: (including relevant portions of the chat)</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1D1D1D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1D1D1D">0. Call Administration (2- 5 min CLO)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Roll call will be taken from the Adobe Connect room.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Audio only: Greg Shatan<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Asking for more volunteers to join the report drafting team <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1D1D1D">1. Review of any AI's from call #12 on November 23rd <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt">see <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/w5DDAw%5Bcommunity.icann.org%5D">https://community.icann.org/x/w5DDAw[community.icann.org]</a> <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1D1D1D">2. Updates (5-10 mins) :-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt">During CCWG Plenary, our subgroup requested to be moved to track 1. This request was approved, our group will now work towards the longer timeline.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo3;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Reviewed the SO/AC Accountability dashboard slide - Working now on 3 tracks only. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo3;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Steve DelBianco gave an update on the edits made to the draft document.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1D1D1D">3. Introduction to IRP in the context of our mandate to Review and comment on the applicability of IRP for use with AC/SO Accountability. 30-40 mins)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Kavouss would like to discuss the applicability of IRP to SO/AC. It has not been designed for that.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Alan indicated that he would think the rules would be amended if we decide it is a good vehicle<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">David McAuley made a presentation of the IRP:<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">SO/AC are not legal entities. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Costs of an IRP can escalate, not sure if SO/AC could pay for those.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">It would probably take a change in the bylaws to take SO/ACs in IRPs.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">CW in support of David's point on costs.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Kavouss: if we agree that IRP is not a good vehicle, we should document why in our report.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt">SO/ACs do not take final decisions - at least no decisions with effects beyond themselves - hence I do not think IRP should apply<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Steve: I hear that IRP is not applicable today, that it could be, but that it should not. More lighweighed vehicles like ombudsman would be more appropriate.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt">I feel that applying IRP to what advisory committees and SOs recommend would interfere with our procedures, would increase complexity, would interfere with Board responsibility and be a great new source of income for lawyers... apart to the fact that SO/AC have no legal entity and make no
final decisions applicable to third parties<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Greg: the IRP is not fit for purpose for SO/AC dispute resolution. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">David reinforced that he believes the IRP is not the right vehicle and would require heavy changes in SO/AC entities<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Sebastien Bachollet, Alan Greenberg express support.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">The cost implication should not be the only motivation, there could possibly be indemnification.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">David McAuley offered to make a written statement to the mailing list to summarize his intervention.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Avri: appeal to the board could be an enabling step to IRP for SOAC action.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Farzaneh summarised the views expressed, ie the existing bylaw is not applicable, and the IRP should not be amended for SO/AC.. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG]: </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt">for the notes: Our question is “Whether the Independent Review Process (IRP) should be applied to SO & AC activities.”the answer has 3 parts: Would not be applicable, as IRP is currently described in Bylaws.While it could be made applicable, by amending bylaws significantly,the IRP should not be made applicable to SO & AC activities, because it is complex and expensive, and there are easier alternative ways to challenge an AC or SO action or inaction<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Next steps:<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Steve: We now need to focus on track 2 on MAR, while we wait on responses from SO/ACs on track 1<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo4;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">The drafting team will update our draft report with today's outcomes.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1D1D1D">4. Next Meeting and future Meeting schedule (2 Min CLO/Staff)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt">8 December @ 19:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#1D1D1D">5. AOB and recap of any AI's (3min CLO) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt">ACTION (drafting team): Update google doc with today's discussion, and distribute to the list.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#1D1D1D;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6;text-autospace:none">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt">Sebastien Bachollet apologizes for not being able to join the next call.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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