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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>As requested in yesterday’s plenary session, the WS2 timeline has been updated. Ombudsman, SO/AC Acct, and Staff Acct subgroups have been moved to the longer track (track 1), and the Transparency subgroup has been moved to the shorter track (track 2).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Please find latest revision attached.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Nathalie. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>MSSI Secretariat<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> CCWG Accountability <accountability-cross-community@icann.org><br><b>Subject:</b> [CCWG-ACCT] Notes, recordings, transcript for CCWG ACCT Plenary Meeting #9 | 30 November<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hello all,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 Meeting #9 – 30 November 2016 will be available here: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_-2DY7DAw&d=DgMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=tihW1uCnFwXm_sH9wNMai3y0xxhhePS6f2Cyln3oOJf49IevVWeqHegteH8rLf_J&m=rfhjGGLgRFeRYJM8c0UjegwLUVHWWjQcDTuMWuvl94g&s=bC6ly7YGa_R3VQQMJ6--uObDOxBclEjd8bcUa809ZBU&e=">https://community.icann.org/x/-Y7DAw[community.icann.org]</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>A copy of the notes and action items may be found below.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>With kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Brenda Brewer <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>MSSI Projects & Operations Assistant<o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>ICANN<b> </b>-<b> </b>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:22.5pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Action Items<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:22.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0432FF'>Action Item - please update slide accordingly.<br>Action Item - We will have a call of expressions of interest for our participation in this groups.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:22.5pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Notes<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Notes (including relevant parts of chat):</span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>1. Introduction, update to SOIs, reminder on standards of behaviour</span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Leon Sanchez: Updates to SOIs (none).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>2. Administration</span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Leon Sanchez: IRP-IOT Public Comment period open. No Comments. Presentation of WS2 timeline.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Sebastien Bachollet: Ombudsman - the review of the Ombudsman office will cause us to be late - so this is a request to move to track 1.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Leon Sanchez: </span><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>Action Item - please update slide accordingly.</span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Kavouss Arasteh: changing of tracks should be decided by the plenary.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Leon Sanchez: KA this is what we are doing here. this being said SB’s request seems to be reasonable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Alan Greenberg: If we refuse to honour change request from subgroups, what punishment do we extract if they then do not deliver?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Greg Shatan: The original choice was made by the subgroup, so I think changes should be up to the subgroup as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Robin Gross [GNSO-NCSG]: Good point, Alan. We are volunteers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Alan Greenberg: Perhaps remove rapporteur and replace with people who refuse to agree to their request.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Avri Doria: how did track 2 become shorter time frame than track 1?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Alan Greenberg: Track 2 allocation was simply those groups who hoped to deliver quickly. Reality has a way of changing our perceptions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Greg Shatan: @Avri, I think it always was, or there's a numbering issue. I can assure you that the Juris SG was always on the long track.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Mathieu Weill: KA co-chairs will be monitoring this closely.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Leon Sanchez: Travel assistance presentation for ICANN58<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>3. Legal Committee</span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Leon Sanchez: Replacement of Athina Fragkouli by Michael Abejuela. Also we have not had any response from ICANN legal to the questions we have forwarded.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Sebastien Bachollet: when the LC makes a decision of who to send it to should it not come back to the sub-group.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Leon Sanchez: We will receive input and then share that response and then decide if we need further input.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>4. Follow up on Action Items from ICANN 57 Hyderabad</span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Thomas Rickert: Response to SC sent. Letter to SOAC chairs on ATRT3 has been drafted and will be sent in the next few days. Would ask the members to track this in their respective SOACs. SOAC accountability sub-group request<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Have not received any responses yet but we are being updated on the progress regarding this in various SOACs. As such it would seem that we will be receiving replies.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Thomas Rickert: the GAC is considering its response and hope to submit for the end of next week. Any question regarding this? Onto Transparency.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Mathieu Weill, ccNSO, co-chair: ccNSO contribution also being considered by council now<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Chris Wilson: the intention is to provide a revised draft for next week.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Thomas Rickert: Re discussions with Goran Marby. Concern regarding the complaints officer reporting to legal, the name complaints officer, the relationship to the Ombudsman, the use of the word Organization as well as participation in the 5 internal staff groups. <br></span><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue'>Action Item - We will have a call of expressions of interest for our participation in this groups.</span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Jordan Carter: what would the commitment be to participate?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Thomas Rickert: We will provide that information with the request for an expression of interest.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): could you circulate this info (Thomas just explained) on list?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair: Use of the word Organization - many feel it is, and has always been, all of ICANN including the community - and as such disagree with shifting the use to only mean staff (as opposed to calling staff Staff). Concern with the Complaints Officer reporting to ICANN legal. Concern with calling it the Complaints Officer, several alternate suggestions including Issues Office etc.5 internal groups - can the CCWG participate?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>5. Updates/Presentation from sub-groups</span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Mathieu Weill: will start with SOAC Acct.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Presentation of update. Have requested to move delivery to track 1.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Mathieu Weill: Niels ten Oever could not attend today - he has reported great progress in Hyderabad and a document is being discussed which we hope will be sent to the plenary for consideration.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Ed Morris: Presentation of slides.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>David McAuley: It may be good to call this a negotiation - but what the CEP group could do is add some formality around it - maybe using the IRP secretariat.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Sebastien Bachollet: Why do this twice for the same topic?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Alan Greenberg: Not designing process for the sake of process - we have been asked to do this - we probably need case studies to understand this properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>David McAuley (RySG): I think input from Sam or Amy Stathos on prior experience would be helpful<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Greg Shatan: Mediator is a good idea at this point. DM recognizes we may need to make changes to the Bylaws if we go this way. A mediator would level the playing field.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Berry Cobb: For the CEP topic, this is also being discussed (briefly at this stage) within the Subsequent Rnds PDP. I suspect further deliberations will continue at least as to how the process worked or could be improved as it relates to the 2012 round. The WS2-CEP team may want to keep a tab on any of those discussions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Avri Doria: couldn't the form of the mediation be open to the mediator based on their experience and what they see facing them? if we had mediation that is.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Robin Gross [GNSO-NCSG]: One of the main problems of the CEP is the lack of meaningful written rules about the process<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Avri Doria: I accept that the bylaws are not cut in stone and could be changed is necessary. judging whether it is necessary or not remains a question.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Greg Shatan: I'd be open to flexibility and exercise of judgment of the mediator (after all, a mediation is only as good as the judgment of the mediator) but the overall concept is to facilitate the negotiation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Mathieu Weill: EM you have been given a number of suggestions. AG's suggestion is good. Would suggest you come back to the plenary with a suggestion so we can discuss this. Next question EM?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Ed Morris: IRP encourages conciliation discussion - is it the same as CEP.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>David McAuley: Sensible Bylaw and we will deal with it in the IRP-IOT.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Mathieu Weill: we have cleared up the second question and the IOT will be handling the conciliation aspect.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Kavouss Arasteh: Jurisdiction - after 11 meetings we are nowhere. We discuss things and then put them aside and go to other things. Main issue is immunity - there are 2 meanings - uncertain which one we are talking about.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Greg Shatan: Disagree with the characterization of the group - do agree we are having difficulties agreeing on what we should be doing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Kavouss Arasteh 3: Greg, yes, we agree to disagree .Then we will get no where<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Avri Doria: There is the work some agreed to do, and there is the work that is called for in the Bylaws and the Recommendations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Pedro da Silva - [GAC Brasil]: I don't agree that the work to put together a questionnaire has been complicated. We just need to agree on the formulation of a third additional question and that is it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Greg Shatan: We have not yet agreed that a third question will go out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Edward Morris: Thanks Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): I see it as progress yes Pedro<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>David McAuley: I get frustrated with Jurisdiction work but this is just a reflection of how difficult the work is and Greg is doing good work leading the group.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Indeed David kinda why it is called "building consensus" it is actual Work1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Pedro da Silva - [GAC Brasil]: @Greg: there was considerable support for it and I don't see why the coRapporteurs do not recognize it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): Just lost connection... but to sum my comment up: all are invited to contribute to the two docs we are working on. And we have to find agreement on the three questions to be sent out to stakeholders worldwide on their experiences with ICANN jurisdiction<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Greg Shatan: There was both support and opposition. We'll need to work it out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>David McAuley (RySG): +1 Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Yup<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Kavouss Arasteh: disagree with how questions were drafted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): Let' work on the two docs with specific ideas and wording. And let's be flexible on the questions being drafted - after all we are asking for input from the wider community<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Pedro da Silva - [GAC Brasil]: +1 Jorge <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Philip Corwin: Optimism is the triumph of hope over experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Mathieu Weill: I am following the work of this work very closely. There is progress that is being made although it is slow. We need to trust the process. Let us work on finding areas of agreement and we can build on this. We look forward to an update from the group on the next plenary. Moving to AOB now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:7.5pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>6. AOB</span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Nathalie Vergonelle: update on publication of dashboard - still waiting for input from 4 groups.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:22.5pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Mathieu Weill: We have cancelled the call the call next week. 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