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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2
<b>Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #12</b> – 5 December 2016 will be available here:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/XITDAw">https://community.icann.org/x/XITDAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A copy of the notes may be found below. Also, as requested on the call today, here is a link for Google Doc assistance - please see tutorial: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeFJvXhFJd8%5byoutube.com">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeFJvXhFJd8[youtube.com</a>]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">With kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Brenda Brewer <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">MSSI Projects & Operations Assistant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ICANN<b>
</b>-<b> </b>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:22.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes: (including relevant portions of the chat):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">1. Welcome</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Vinay Kasari unfortunately unavailable. Also we are competing with IGF. Any changes to SOI's? (none)_.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2. Discussion of reformulated “experience” questions</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Any input on the 3 questions as circulated?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: Thank you for getting us here GS - Am not a fan of these questions but given the discussions this is the best we can get.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: any objections to starting the process to publishing these?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: I gather we have not decided on the process?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Correct DM - process for this is point 4 on our agenda today. No other comments so these 3 are good. Let us now look at the additional question (#4)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">3. Discussion of additional question</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">a. Formulation of question</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: We have rough consensus on the previous questions but not on this one. Neither do we have a stable draft of this question. Any comments on the question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: Does not specify a point of view and could cause issues in analyzing the responses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Question used to be WHAT DO YOU THINK and then mutated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Pedro da Silva: Generally I favour more straightforward and general type questions - however given the inputs I would support this proposed text - but this question HAS to be part of the questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Any other comments? Given the limited number of people participating we will have to put this on the list. Let us now talk about including the question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">b. Whether to include the question</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Javier Rua-Jovet: If I may, I feel this question is quite clear, balanced and straightforward.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): yes indeed to the list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Pedro da Silva - [GAC Brasil]: I have already expressed my viewpoint about this in my comment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: I do not support asking this question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Phil Corwin: Share DM's misgivings and do not really support sending it out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: To PC I would note that there is a footnote.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr: You can count me as not in favour of sending this out. Fluffy questions get fluffy answers - in the end it gives very little results.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Temperature check - support for sending the question? (2 for 5 against). Consistent with discussions on the list. Given the low numbers we should put this back on the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): appropriate for list, agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Pedro sa Silva: IGF is an issue. should go to the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: will work with staff about how to poll the group on this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">4. Mechanics and details of the questionnaire process</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: KA has brought up that the questions should go to the plenary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> a. Introduction to questions</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: the SOAC questions had an introduction. I think this would be very important in our case. Any thoughts on this? some support no objections - would need a drafting team. General agreement.
DM has offered to help draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> <b>b. Review by CCWG</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: The precedent we have set with the SOAC sub-group should be the basis for this. As such the questions should be shared with the plenary for approval.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> <b>c. How to send out</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: ICANN community or wider?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Pedro da Silva: I would support wider distribution and should not be restricted and we should use the standard ICANN public consultation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David Mcauley: Depends on expected turn around time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Not really looking at trying to use the formal ICANN Public Consultation. This is not what this is. May not be practical to send this out prior to end of year if we need Plenary approval
(next meeting is Dec. 14 and the Jan 11).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> <b>d. Who to send it to</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> e. How to collect responses</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): if we go free form pdf we need a word limit<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: We have some tendencies as to a process - we will gather these and send to the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">5. Discussion of “Influence of ICANN’s existing jurisdiction” document</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Need to regain our momentum on these documents.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: The sub-groups were made for working.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: As an original sceptic of Google docs I can say that once you get in it its fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">6. AOB</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: any AOB (none)
</span><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#0432FF">Action Item - Staff to recirculate Google Docs Primer link to this sub-group.</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Brenda Brewer: For Google Doc assistance - please see tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeFJvXhFJd8[youtube.com]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: Let's also acknowledge that some colleagues do not get access to Google Doc as part of their employers IT security policies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: Comments via PDF and emails should be ok<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">7. Adjourn</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Adjourned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Documents Presented</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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