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<p><font face="Verdana">Hi All</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Since the call notes show no opposition to
sending out the preamble as such, I, who could not attend the
call, will like to put on record my opposition to mentioning one
part of the group's jurisdiction related mandate and not others.
This refers to the following part of the proposed preamble.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">"Specifically, it asked the subgroup to
engage in:<br>
Addressing jurisdiction-related questions, namely: “Can ICANN’s
accountability be enhanced depending on the laws applicable to
its actions?” The CCWG-Accountability anticipates focusing<br>
on the question of applicable law for contracts and dispute
settlements. [Final Report, paragraph 234]"</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">ENDS</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Mandate of the group is a serious issue and
should not be played around with. The full mandate mentioned in
annex 12 applies, and the above to me appears to be a kind of
'creeping acquisition' exercise to circumscribe the mandate in a
manner that suits certain interests, basically those who prefer
the jurisdictional status quo and do not want this issues
examined and addressed by the 'community'. <br>
</font></p>
<p>Lets take and decide issues on merit, of public interest, of
justice, equality, democracy, and the such. Let issues not get
decided by which parties have the most resources, including time,
to invest in these so-called 'open processes' . Obviously, the
most well-resourced will have the most resources and time.
Governance and policy spaces are meant more to side with those who
otherwise have less means and resources, not to augment the power
of who already are better off in this matter. That is the tragedy
of open multistakeholder processes that are not framed within
democratic principles and concepts. Public interest is not the sum
of private interests that can assemble, and elbow out others, on a
designated space/ table, it is meant to be a different, much
higher, thing.</p>
<p><font face="Verdana">parminder </font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 14 December 2016 06:08 AM,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The notes,
recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2
<b>Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #13</b> – 13 December 2016
will be available here:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://community.icann.org/x/Y5TDAw">https://community.icann.org/x/Y5TDAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A copy of
the notes may be found below.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">With kind
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Brenda
Brewer <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">MSSI
Projects & Operations Assistant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">ICANN<b>
</b>-<b> </b>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
Numbers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:22.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes: (including
relevant portions of the chat):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">1.
Welcome</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg
Shatan: Akimbo and SDB on audio only. No changes to SOIs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2.
Poll on Proposed Questions</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg
Shatan: Development of questionnaire is ongoing. Interim
report on poll about the questionnaire. Current results are
for 26 answers we have first 3 questions 92% support to have
these going forward (24 of 26). For the 4th question we have
15 in support and 11 against. Question supporting “sending 3
questions only” generated 22 replies 17 supported sending
only 3 questions and 5 did not support.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Adebunmi
Akimbo: .AFIRCA court case is being tried in the US and not
in an African court. Would of been better to have an African
court decide this. This begs the question what should the
rules be to ensure this type of situation should not happen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg
Shatan: Not our current topic but we can get back to it
later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
Arasteh: support all questions and sending all questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg
Shatan: This is a change in your response to the poll now
making the results 15 to 11 for question 4 - is this
consensus?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David
McAuley: could take this to the co-chairs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul
McGrady: Greg, how are decisions made? Is it majority or
consensus? There doesn't seem to be consensus on Q4, but
there is a slight majority (at least of poll taker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu
Weill: Decision process is complex in this situation - when
assessing consensus, it is best to refer to the full
CCWG-Accountability. (very sensitive issue).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
Arasteh: This group should not make the decision on
consensus - we should report the facts (numbers) to the
plenary and let them decide.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
Arasteh: As the Co-Chair (MW) , pls asdvise Grec that this
Group can not decide on the issue but just to report to CCWG
pLENARY.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri
Doria: (audio issues), I will write it out. makes sense to
report the failure to have consensus on the poll, but should
not ask for them to decide as it was a procedural process.
it can decide on its process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
Arasteh: We can not decide on the process<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri
doria: the failure was on sending the poll out at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David
McAuley (RySG): I agree w/Greg about doing poll, especially
with WS2 low participation rates<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg
Shatan: Will discuss with co-chairs if this is ready for the
plenary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul
McGrady: The poll has been done - we need to report the data
as it is.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
Arasteh: Consistency or otherwise on Q 4 should be decided
by CCWG Plenary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
Arasteh: Sub Group is part of CCWG AND must report to it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
Arasteh: SO/ac ACCOUNTABILITY QUESTIONS WERE APPROVED BY
ccwg AFTER TWO READINGS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">KAVOUSS
Arasteh: Sorry again for cap ,forgive me<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul
McGrady: @Staff, don't forget to include the rest of my
comment in the notes, which is that Q4 relates to the
unwinding of WS1 Accountability measures by suggesting a
change of ICANN formation jurisdictions and it should serve
as a chance to ask the Plenary if we should still be
considering this (bad) idea<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">3.
Discussion of Preamble (Introduction to Questions)</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David
McAuley: Presentation of draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg
Shatan: Comments?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve
DelBianco [BC]: I like the preamble<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David
McAuley: This does not include the KA and MW text I
developed at their request which is: In this regard, the
subgroup is asking for concrete, factual submissions
(positive, negative, or neutral) that will help ensure that
the subgroup’s deliberations are informed, fact-based, and
address real issues. The subgroup is interested in all types
of jurisdiction-related factual experiences, not just those
involving actual disputes/court cases. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg
Shatan: Any other comments? (none). This seems to be
non-controversial and should be accepted - any objections?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri
Doria: (unclear about the 4th question).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg
Shatan: there is divergence on question 4 but we have agreed
to bring this to the plenary as suggested by MW.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David
McAuley: this group may wish to include the additional
language I pasted in the chat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu
Weill: The addition is welcome, I think, David<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg
Shatan: Let us do a temperature check for sending the
introduction with the additional language (some supports, no
objections). Sending without the additional language (only 1
support, no objections). Objection to sending the
introduction at all (no objections). Seems there is support
for sending the preamble with the additional language
proposed by DM.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri
doria: i will abstain as i do not accept sending out the
poll.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">4.
Review by CCWG Plenary</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">(discussed
and decided in the previous point - poll results regarding
the questionnaire will be presented and discussed by the
plenary)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">5.
Mechanics and details of the questionnaire process</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">a.
How to publish/send out questionnaire</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg
Shatan: should be announced by ICANN but not as a formal
public comment. Any thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David
McAuley: We need to think about details - how long will this
run and how to analyze the results - we should only consider
facts and not opinions - and we should all agree on a
process for doing this (still has misgivings on sending out
the questionnaire).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri
doria: we could ask icann to create a poll heading
somewhere?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul
McGrady: Any comment period of less than 30 days will get us
in hot water<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri
doria: if polls ae becoming part of ICANN practice, they
should have a spot on the main ICANN pages<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:7.5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip
Corwin: Agree that question 4 seeks opinions rather than
facts, which is why I do not support it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul
McGrady: @Avri - +1!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg
Shatan: 2 issues are important.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri
doria: we would also have to decide on what constitutued
fact and what constituted opinion. i bet we have divergence
on that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David
McAuley (RySG): possibly so Avri<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip
Corwin: If we start putting poll questions out for 30 days
public comment then this WG will take years to complete.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve
DelBianco [BC]: One lesson learned by the SO/AC
Accountability questionnaire: please put numbers on each
question so that respondents can designate their response
precisely<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri
doria: i argue for a broader notion of fact, as the
definition of fact is often based on social - cultural -
political pov,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Wale
Bakare: As we are seeking public inputs, i believe these are
opinions and facts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg
Shatan: When we say facts, we mean actual experiences that
have occurred.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David
McAuley (RySG): @Avri - these are the things we need to
discuss/agree. I think I would disagree with you but it
depends.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul
McGrady: factual claims are the best we will get, not
accuracy-vetted "facts", I'm afraid.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu
Weill: The document Influence of ICANN's existing
jurisdiction could help classify the input - experiences,
concerns, comments etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg
Shatan: very helpful MW. Reminder that we need to work on
that document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve
DelBianco: We took several weeks to decide on the SOAC acct
questions which have been sent out. That sub-group will
determine if the answers to our questions are valid. what is
most important is not the actual question but the answers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David
McAuley (RySG): Agree w/Steve and the opinions we might get
would take us beyond dispute-resolution-based jurisdictional
inquiry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri
doria: i hope we are not trying to prevent answers that we
cn then judge.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David
McAuley (RySG): beyond, that is<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg
Shatan: the SOAC acct. questions received 2 readings and
approval by the plenary - which has set a standard. Although
our questions our not finalized we would benefit from
plenary input. Adjourned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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