<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><div style="direction: inherit;">Greg</div><div style="direction: inherit;">There was no agreement to consider the review as First Reading</div><div style="direction: inherit;">It was sent back to reconsider the matter and resubmit it for first </div><div style="direction: inherit;">Reading</div><div style="direction: inherit;">We have to have a fresh look </div><div style="direction: inherit;">No questions or all questions</div><div style="direction: inherit;">This is the issue on the table</div><div style="direction: inherit;">Once we agree on that then there nay be some editing in Q 1 as I indicated " deletion of business and privacy" </div><div style="direction: inherit;"> Pls kindly listen to us also and NOT to yourself</div><div style="direction: inherit;">Regards</div><div style="direction: inherit;">Kavouss</div><div style="direction: inherit;"><br></div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 16 Dec 2016, at 00:05, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The CCWG Plenary had a first reading of each of the 4 questions and the Preamble. These were discussed, and some comments were received. The results of the poll were also distributed and discussed. No decisions were made.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Presumably, there will be a second reading at the next CCWG Plenary meeting on January 11.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 5:22 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I feel the supposed dangers of the fourth question are being exaggerated – we are mature enough to distinguish well-reasoned
opinions from mere hypothesis. And respondents are also well-prepared to deal with 4 instead of 3 questions – I do not see any serious danger of overburdening them because of that. We could make clear that respondents only have to answer what they deem relevant.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Without wanting to repeat myself: to exclude a question that was supported by a slight majority in the poll indicates
some fear on what could back in terms of substance – not because it would be useless, but because some in the group would not like the arguments being made.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I’m of the opinion that if we have good arguments and continue with a rational conversation there is no reason for such
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">BTW: did the CCWG Plenary decide on this? Or give any direction? I would not like to spend time on a topic already decided…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Kind regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mueller, Milton L [mailto:<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2016 23:13<br>
<b>An:</b> Cancio Jorge BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>; <a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>; <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-<wbr>community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> RE: Jurisdiction Proposed Questions and Poll Results<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Jorge<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Question 4 clearly does not have consensus support from the group. What DOES has clear overwhelming consensus is: a) Questions 1-3, and b) support
for sending out the first 3 questions if 4 does not have sufficient support.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Worse, Q4 basically defeats the purpose of the entire fact-finding mission.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Our first 3 questions are short, clear and simple and factual in terms of what is needed to answer them<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The 4<sup>th</sup> question is worded in a wooly and confusion manner and is asking for opinions, not facts.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_-5548267633210976267__MailEndCompose"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">You have to understand that the time and attention span of survey respondents is limited. If you throw a long, ambiguous
and unclear question at them you get fewer responses. And by asking for opinions rather than facts, Q4 taints the rest of the questions and we are likely to get more opinions and fewer facts as a result.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Let’s bring this to a close and send out the factual questions by themselves. If people want to initiate another process to send out a completely
different kind of question, let it be done separately.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-<wbr>community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:accountability-cross-<wbr>community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>; <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">
accountability-cross-<wbr>community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Jurisdiction Proposed Questions and Poll Results<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I apologize for not being able to attend today’s call due to other prior engagements.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Let me add that I’m in support of sending out all 4 questions prepared in the Jurisdiction Group.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I feel that at this point of our discussions, where we are trying to gather as many facts, experiences and reasoned opinions as possible which are
relevant for the influence that ICANN’s jurisdiction has on its operations and accountability mechanisms, we should not rule out questions (as question nr. 4) that have been considered important by an important part of the Subgroup (in fact, by a slight majority
of it).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">At later stages we may determine whether ingoing responses regarding that question are factual or are mere opinions without a well-founded basis.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">At this moment I think that excluding relevant questions could give rise to wrong perceptions and could potentially prevent us from knowing relevant
experiences/assessments covered only by question nr. 4.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">@staff: please note these comments in the relevant part of the call.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-<wbr>community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:accountability-cross-<wbr>community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Mathieu Weill<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2016 08:44<br>
<b>An:</b> Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-<wbr>community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [CCWG-ACCT] TR: Jurisdiction Proposed Questions and Poll Results<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">On behalf of the jurisdiction subgroup rapporteurs, please find attached two documents that will be discussed in the upcoming plenary.
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<b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 14 décembre 2016 07:37<br>
<b>À :</b> <a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía; Thomas Rickert;
<a href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org" target="_blank">acct-staff@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Jurisdiction Proposed Questions and Poll Results<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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