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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 15 December 2016 08:36 AM,
Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
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views. Are you suggesting that all of the text in Annex 12
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Greg<br>
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You can just mention the mandate "as described in Annex 12", which
then can be annexed or linked in to the questionnaire (as in fact it
already is). Or we can have a more balanced set of excerpts that do
not make it look like we are supposed to look only at applicable law
for contracts (private law) and not at application of public law of
the US on ICANN, which as you would have seen is what has worried
most people here. (Incidentally, despite repeated requests, I have
not seen a clear and precise formulation of the 'problem' that is
faced with regard to the application of contracts related law, or
private law, and the kind of resolutions that are possible. Anyone?
We are just told, that is what we should be doing, focussing on
contract law, but what exactly we should be doing here? I just
suspect that their either is not a real problem here, or if there
indeed is one, there are some easy resolutions for it, and not so
much to discuss about. But I may be wrong. I havent thought too much
in this direction. ) Thanks, parminder <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 7:06 PM,
parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p><font face="Verdana">Hi All</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Since the call notes show no
opposition to sending out the preamble as such, I, who
could not attend the call, will like to put on record
my opposition to mentioning one part of the group's
jurisdiction related mandate and not others. This
refers to the following part of the proposed preamble.</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">"Specifically, it asked the
subgroup to engage in:<br>
Addressing jurisdiction-related questions, namely:
“Can ICANN’s accountability be enhanced depending on
the laws applicable to its actions?” The
CCWG-Accountability anticipates focusing<br>
on the question of applicable law for contracts and
dispute settlements. [Final Report, paragraph 234]"</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">ENDS</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Mandate of the group is a serious
issue and should not be played around with. The full
mandate mentioned in annex 12 applies, and the above
to me appears to be a kind of 'creeping acquisition'
exercise to circumscribe the mandate in a manner that
suits certain interests, basically those who prefer
the jurisdictional status quo and do not want this
issues examined and addressed by the 'community'. <br>
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<p>Lets take and decide issues on merit, of public
interest, of justice, equality, democracy, and the such.
Let issues not get decided by which parties have the
most resources, including time, to invest in these
so-called 'open processes' . Obviously, the most
well-resourced will have the most resources and time.
Governance and policy spaces are meant more to side with
those who otherwise have less means and resources, not
to augment the power of who already are better off in
this matter. That is the tragedy of open
multistakeholder processes that are not framed within
democratic principles and concepts. Public interest is
not the sum of private interests that can assemble, and
elbow out others, on a designated space/ table, it is
meant to be a different, much higher, thing.</p>
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Wednesday 14 December 2016 06:08 AM, MSSI
Secretariat wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">The notes, recordings
and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 <b>Jurisdiction
Subgroup Meeting #13</b> – 13 December 2016
will be available here: <a
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href="https://community.icann.org/x/Y5TDAw"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.icann.org/x/">https://community.icann.org/x/</a><wbr>Y5TDAw</a></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">A copy of the notes
may be found below. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">With kind regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Brenda Brewer </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">MSSI Projects &
Operations Assistant</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">ICANN<b> </b>-<b>
</b>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
and Numbers</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:22.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes:
(including relevant portions of the chat):</span></b></p>
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style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">1. Welcome</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
Akimbo and SDB on audio only. No changes to
SOIs.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2. Poll on
Proposed Questions</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
Development of questionnaire is ongoing.
Interim report on poll about the
questionnaire. Current results are for 26
answers we have first 3 questions 92% support
to have these going forward (24 of 26). For
the 4th question we have 15 in support and 11
against. Question supporting “sending 3
questions only” generated 22 replies 17
supported sending only 3 questions and 5 did
not support.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Adebunmi
Akimbo: .AFIRCA court case is being tried in
the US and not in an African court. Would of
been better to have an African court decide
this. This begs the question what should the
rules be to ensure this type of situation
should not happen.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
Not our current topic but we can get back to
it later.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
Arasteh: support all questions and sending all
questions.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
This is a change in your response to the poll
now making the results 15 to 11 for question 4
- is this consensus?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley:
could take this to the co-chairs?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul McGrady:
Greg, how are decisions made? Is it majority
or consensus? There doesn't seem to be
consensus on Q4, but there is a slight
majority (at least of poll taker</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill:
Decision process is complex in this situation
- when assessing consensus, it is best to
refer to the full CCWG-Accountability. (very
sensitive issue).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
Arasteh: This group should not make the
decision on consensus - we should report the
facts (numbers) to the plenary and let them
decide.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
Arasteh: As the Co-Chair (MW) , pls asdvise
Grec that this Group can not decide on the
issue but just to report to CCWG pLENARY.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria:
(audio issues), I will write it out. makes
sense to report the failure to have consensus
on the poll, but should not ask for them to
decide as it was a procedural process. it can
decide on its process.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
Arasteh: We can not decide on the process</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: the
failure was on sending the poll out at all.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley
(RySG): I agree w/Greg about doing poll,
especially with WS2 low participation rates</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
Will discuss with co-chairs if this is ready
for the plenary.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul McGrady:
The poll has been done - we need to report the
data as it is.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
Arasteh: Consistency or otherwise on Q 4
should be decided by CCWG Plenary</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
Arasteh: Sub Group is part of CCWG AND must
report to it</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
Arasteh: SO/ac ACCOUNTABILITY QUESTIONS WERE
APPROVED BY ccwg AFTER TWO READINGS</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">KAVOUSS
Arasteh: Sorry again for cap ,forgive me</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul McGrady:
@Staff, don't forget to include the rest of my
comment in the notes, which is that Q4 relates
to the unwinding of WS1 Accountability
measures by suggesting a change of ICANN
formation jurisdictions and it should serve as
a chance to ask the Plenary if we should still
be considering this (bad) idea</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">3. Discussion
of Preamble (Introduction to Questions)</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley:
Presentation of draft.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
Comments?</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco
[BC]: I like the preamble</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley:
This does not include the KA and MW text I
developed at their request which is: In this
regard, the subgroup is asking for concrete,
factual submissions (positive, negative, or
neutral) that will help ensure that the
subgroup’s deliberations are informed,
fact-based, and address real issues. The
subgroup is interested in all types of
jurisdiction-related factual experiences, not
just those involving actual disputes/court
cases. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
Any other comments? (none). This seems to be
non-controversial and should be accepted - any
objections?</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria:
(unclear about the 4th question).</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
there is divergence on question 4 but we have
agreed to bring this to the plenary as
suggested by MW.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley:
this group may wish to include the additional
language I pasted in the chat.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill:
The addition is welcome, I think, David</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
Let us do a temperature check for sending the
introduction with the additional language
(some supports, no objections). Sending
without the additional language (only 1
support, no objections). Objection to sending
the introduction at all (no objections). Seems
there is support for sending the preamble with
the additional language proposed by DM.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: i
will abstain as i do not accept sending out
the poll.</span></p>
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style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">4. Review by
CCWG Plenary</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"></span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">(discussed and
decided in the previous point - poll results
regarding the questionnaire will be presented
and discussed by the plenary)</span></p>
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style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">5. Mechanics
and details of the questionnaire process</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"></span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">a. How to
publish/send out questionnaire</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"></span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
should be announced by ICANN but not as a
formal public comment. Any thoughts?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley:
We need to think about details - how long will
this run and how to analyze the results - we
should only consider facts and not opinions -
and we should all agree on a process for doing
this (still has misgivings on sending out the
questionnaire).</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: we
could ask icann to create a poll heading
somewhere?</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul McGrady:
Any comment period of less than 30 days will
get us in hot water</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: if
polls ae becoming part of ICANN practice, they
should have a spot on the main ICANN pages</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin:
Agree that question 4 seeks opinions rather
than facts, which is why I do not support it.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul McGrady:
@Avri - +1!</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: 2
issues are important.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: we
would also have to decide on what constitutued
fact and what constituted opinion. i bet we
have divergence on that.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley
(RySG): possibly so Avri</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin:
If we start putting poll questions out for 30
days public comment then this WG will take
years to complete.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco
[BC]: One lesson learned by the SO/AC
Accountability questionnaire: please put
numbers on each question so that respondents
can designate their response precisely</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: i
argue for a broader notion of fact, as the
definition of fact is often based on social -
cultural - political pov,</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Wale Bakare: As
we are seeking public inputs, i believe these
are opinions and facts.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
When we say facts, we mean actual experiences
that have occurred.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley
(RySG): @Avri - these are the things we need
to discuss/agree. I think I would disagree
with you but it depends.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul McGrady:
factual claims are the best we will get, not
accuracy-vetted "facts", I'm afraid.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill:
The document Influence of ICANN's existing
jurisdiction could help classify the input -
experiences, concerns, comments etc.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
very helpful MW. Reminder that we need to work
on that document.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve
DelBianco: We took several weeks to decide on
the SOAC acct questions which have been sent
out. That sub-group will determine if the
answers to our questions are valid. what is
most important is not the actual question but
the answers.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley
(RySG): Agree w/Steve and the opinions we
might get would take us beyond
dispute-resolution-based jurisdictional
inquiry</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: i
hope we are not trying to prevent answers that
we cn then judge.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley
(RySG): beyond, that is</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
the SOAC acct. questions received 2 readings
and approval by the plenary - which has set a
standard. Although our questions our not
finalized we would benefit from plenary input.
Adjourned.</span></p>
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