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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 15 December 2016 08:36 AM,
      Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Parminder,</div>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thank you for your
          views.  Are you suggesting that all of the text in Annex 12
          should be brought into the preamble?</div>
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    Greg<br>
    <br>
    You can just mention the mandate "as described in Annex 12", which
    then can be annexed or linked in to the questionnaire (as in fact it
    already is). Or we can have a more balanced set of excerpts that do
    not make it look like we are supposed to look only at applicable law
    for contracts (private law) and not at application of public law of
    the US on ICANN, which as you would have seen is what has worried
    most people here. (Incidentally, despite repeated requests, I have
    not seen a clear and precise formulation of the 'problem' that is
    faced with regard to the application of contracts related law, or
    private law, and the kind of resolutions that are possible. Anyone?
    We are just told, that is what we should be doing, focussing on
    contract law, but what exactly we should be doing here? I just
    suspect that their either is not a real problem here, or if there
    indeed is one, there are some easy resolutions for it, and not so
    much to discuss about. But I may be wrong. I havent thought too much
    in this direction. ) Thanks, parminder <br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 7:06 PM,
          parminder <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <p><font face="Verdana">Hi All</font></p>
              <p><font face="Verdana">Since the call notes show no
                  opposition to sending out the preamble as such, I, who
                  could not attend the call, will like to put on record
                  my opposition to mentioning one part of the group's
                  jurisdiction related mandate and not others. This
                  refers to the following part of the proposed preamble.</font></p>
              <p><font face="Verdana">"Specifically, it asked the
                  subgroup to engage in:<br>
                  Addressing jurisdiction-related questions, namely:
                  “Can ICANN’s accountability be enhanced depending on
                  the laws applicable to its actions?” The
                  CCWG-Accountability anticipates focusing<br>
                  on the question of applicable law for contracts and
                  dispute settlements. [Final Report, paragraph 234]"</font></p>
              <p><font face="Verdana">ENDS</font></p>
              <p><font face="Verdana">Mandate of the group is a serious
                  issue and should not be played around with. The full
                  mandate mentioned in annex 12 applies, and the above
                  to me appears to be a kind of 'creeping acquisition'
                  exercise to circumscribe the mandate in a manner that
                  suits certain interests, basically those who prefer
                  the jurisdictional status quo and do not want this
                  issues examined and addressed by the 'community'. <br>
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              <p>Lets take and decide issues on merit, of public
                interest, of justice, equality, democracy, and the such.
                Let issues not get decided by which parties have the
                most resources, including time, to invest in these
                so-called 'open processes' . Obviously, the most
                well-resourced will have the most resources and time.
                Governance and policy spaces are meant more to side with
                those who otherwise have less means and resources, not
                to augment the power of who already are better off in
                this matter. That is the tragedy of open
                multistakeholder processes that are not framed within
                democratic principles and concepts. Public interest is
                not the sum of private interests that can assemble, and
                elbow out others, on a designated space/ table, it is
                meant to be  a different, much higher, thing.</p>
              <p><font face="Verdana">parminder </font><br>
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                  <div class="m_-5086890696502500390moz-cite-prefix">On
                    Wednesday 14 December 2016 06:08 AM, MSSI
                    Secretariat wrote:<br>
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                          style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello all,</span></p>
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                          style="font-size:11.0pt">The notes, recordings
                          and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 <b>Jurisdiction
                            Subgroup Meeting #13</b> – 13 December 2016
                          will be available here:  <a
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                            target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.icann.org/x/">https://community.icann.org/x/</a><wbr>Y5TDAw</a></span></p>
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                          style="font-size:11.0pt">A copy of the notes
                          may be found below.  </span></p>
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                          style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you.</span></p>
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                          style="font-size:11.0pt">With kind regards,</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:11.0pt">Brenda Brewer </span></p>
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                          style="font-size:11.0pt">MSSI Projects &amp;
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                            style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes:
                            (including relevant portions of the chat):</span></b></p>
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                        style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">1.    Welcome</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"></span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
                          Akimbo and SDB on audio only. No changes to
                          SOIs.</span></p>
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                        style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2.    Poll on
                            Proposed Questions</span></b><span
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
                          Development of questionnaire is ongoing.
                          Interim report on poll about the
                          questionnaire. Current results are for 26
                          answers we have first 3 questions 92% support
                          to have these going forward (24 of 26). For
                          the 4th question we have 15 in support and 11
                          against. Question supporting “sending 3
                          questions only” generated 22 replies 17
                          supported sending only 3 questions and 5 did
                          not support.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Adebunmi
                          Akimbo: .AFIRCA court case is being tried in
                          the US and not in an African court. Would of
                          been better to have an African court decide
                          this. This begs the question what should the
                          rules be to ensure this type of situation
                          should not happen.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
                          Not our current topic but we can get back to
                          it later.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
                          Arasteh: support all questions and sending all
                          questions.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
                          This is a change in your response to the poll
                          now making the results 15 to 11 for question 4
                          - is this consensus?</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley:
                          could take this to the co-chairs?</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul McGrady:
                          Greg, how are decisions made?  Is it majority
                          or consensus?  There doesn't seem to be
                          consensus on Q4, but there is a slight
                          majority (at least of poll taker</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill:
                          Decision process is complex in this situation
                          - when assessing consensus, it is best to
                          refer to the full CCWG-Accountability. (very
                          sensitive issue).</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
                          Arasteh: This group should not make the
                          decision on consensus - we should report the
                          facts (numbers) to the plenary and let them
                          decide.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
                          Arasteh: As the Co-Chair (MW) , pls asdvise
                          Grec that this Group can not decide on the
                          issue but just to report to CCWG pLENARY.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria:
                          (audio issues), I will write it out.  makes
                          sense to report the failure to have consensus
                          on the poll, but should not ask for them to
                          decide as it was a procedural process.  it can
                          decide on its process.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
                          Arasteh: We can not decide on the process</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: the
                          failure was on sending the poll out at all.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley
                          (RySG): I agree w/Greg about doing poll,
                          especially with WS2 low participation rates</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
                          Will discuss with co-chairs if this is ready
                          for the plenary.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul McGrady:
                          The poll has been done - we need to report the
                          data as it is.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
                          Arasteh: Consistency or otherwise on Q 4
                          should be decided by CCWG Plenary</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
                          Arasteh: Sub Group is part of CCWG AND must
                          report to it</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss
                          Arasteh: SO/ac ACCOUNTABILITY QUESTIONS WERE
                          APPROVED BY ccwg AFTER TWO READINGS</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">KAVOUSS
                          Arasteh: Sorry again for cap ,forgive me</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul McGrady:
                          @Staff, don't forget to include the rest of my
                          comment in the notes, which is that Q4 relates
                          to the unwinding of WS1 Accountability
                          measures by suggesting a change of ICANN
                          formation jurisdictions and it should serve as
                          a chance to ask the Plenary if we should still
                          be considering this (bad) idea</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">3.   Discussion
                            of Preamble (Introduction to Questions)</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"></span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley:
                          Presentation of draft.</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: 
                          Comments?</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco
                          [BC]: I like the preamble</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley:
                          This does not include the KA and MW text I
                          developed at their request which is: In this
                          regard, the subgroup is asking for concrete,
                          factual submissions (positive, negative, or
                          neutral) that will help ensure that the
                          subgroup’s deliberations are informed,
                          fact-based, and address real issues. The
                          subgroup is interested in all types of
                          jurisdiction-related factual experiences, not
                          just those involving actual disputes/court
                          cases.  </span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
                          Any other comments? (none). This seems to be
                          non-controversial and should be accepted - any
                          objections?</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria:
                          (unclear about the 4th question).</span></p>
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
                          there is divergence on question 4 but we have
                          agreed to bring this to the plenary as
                          suggested by MW.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley:
                          this group may wish to include the additional
                          language I pasted in the chat.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill:
                          The addition is welcome, I think, David</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
                          Let us do a temperature check for sending the
                          introduction with the additional language
                          (some supports, no objections). Sending
                          without the additional language (only 1
                          support, no objections). Objection to sending
                          the introduction at all (no objections). Seems
                          there is support for sending the preamble with
                          the additional language proposed by DM.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: i
                          will abstain as i do not accept sending out
                          the poll.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">4.    Review by
                            CCWG Plenary</span></b><span
                          style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">(discussed and
                          decided in the previous point - poll results
                          regarding the questionnaire will be presented
                          and discussed by the plenary)</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                        style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">5.    Mechanics
                            and details of the questionnaire process</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:45.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">a.   How to
                            publish/send out questionnaire</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
                          should be announced by ICANN but not as a
                          formal public comment. Any thoughts?</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley:
                          We need to think about details - how long will
                          this run and how to analyze the results - we
                          should only consider facts and not opinions -
                          and we should all agree on a process for doing
                          this (still has misgivings on sending out the
                          questionnaire).</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: we
                          could ask icann to create a poll heading
                          somewhere?</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul McGrady:
                          Any comment period of less than 30 days will
                          get us in hot water</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: if
                          polls ae becoming part of ICANN practice, they
                          should have a spot on the main ICANN pages</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin:
                          Agree that question 4 seeks opinions rather
                          than facts, which is why I do not support it.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul McGrady:
                          @Avri - +1!</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: 2
                          issues are important.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: we
                          would also have to decide on what constitutued
                          fact and what constituted opinion.  i bet we
                          have divergence on that.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley
                          (RySG): possibly so Avri</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin:
                          If we start putting poll questions out for 30
                          days public comment then this WG will take
                          years to complete.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco
                          [BC]: One lesson learned by the SO/AC
                          Accountability questionnaire:  please put
                          numbers on each question so that respondents
                          can designate their response precisely</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: i
                          argue for a broader notion of fact, as the
                          definition of  fact is often based on social -
                          cultural - political  pov,</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Wale Bakare: As
                          we are seeking public inputs, i believe these
                          are opinions and facts.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
                          When we say facts, we mean actual experiences
                          that have occurred.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley
                          (RySG): @Avri - these are the things we need
                          to discuss/agree. I think I would disagree
                          with you but it depends.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul McGrady:
                          factual claims are the best we will get, not
                          accuracy-vetted "facts", I'm afraid.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill:
                          The document Influence of ICANN's existing
                          jurisdiction could help classify the input -
                          experiences, concerns, comments etc.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
                          very helpful MW. Reminder that we need to work
                          on that document.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve
                          DelBianco: We took several weeks to decide on
                          the SOAC acct questions which have been sent
                          out. That sub-group will determine if the
                          answers to our questions are valid. what is
                          most important is not the actual question but
                          the answers.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley
                          (RySG): Agree w/Steve and the opinions we
                          might get would take us beyond
                          dispute-resolution-based jurisdictional
                          inquiry</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: i
                          hope we are not trying to prevent answers that
                          we cn then judge.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley
                          (RySG): beyond, that is</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.25in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:
                          the SOAC acct. questions received 2 readings
                          and approval by the plenary - which has set a
                          standard. Although our questions our not
                          finalized we would benefit from plenary input.
                          Adjourned.</span></p>
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