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countries are somehow suspect or deserve less weight, are unprecedented and offensive. In a decade of work within ICANN I have never before seen requests that individual views should be related to geographic location as a means of judging their authenticity
or value. If we are going to go down that road then to get a complete picture we will have to also note where members are citizens of nations that have strained relations with the US or which favor a multilateral over a multistakeholder model. All that will
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Arasteh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 16, 2016 5:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Perez Galindo, Rafael<br>
<b>Cc:</b> accountability-cross-community@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Jurisdiction Proposed Questions and Poll Results<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Jorge, Rafael<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">These are non valid excuse not to publish Q4 as our US colleagues do not want to even get some comments on that relation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We then have to also object to send out Qs 1-3.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No questions go out or all questions are published.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The community are being captured by a group of people belonging to certain country<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Forgetting the rest of the entire community<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kavouss<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 16 Dec 2016, at 10:27, Perez Galindo, Rafael <<a href="mailto:RPEREZGA@minetad.es">RPEREZGA@minetad.es</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">+1 Jorge.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Milton, if one of your arguments for deleting Q4 is lack of time of the respondents, I hope you realize how weak these kind of claims are, and how they do not
support your position.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We should never be afraid of compiling information. After 2 years of working together, this group has shown to be mature enough to be able to weed out, once the
answers have been received.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>En nombre de </b><a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> jueves, 15 de diciembre de 2016 23:23<br>
<b>Para:</b> <a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu">milton@gatech.edu</a>; <a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">
mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>; <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">
accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Jurisdiction Proposed Questions and Poll Results</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear Milton</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I feel the supposed dangers of the fourth question are being exaggerated – we are mature enough to distinguish well-reasoned opinions from mere hypothesis.
And respondents are also well-prepared to deal with 4 instead of 3 questions – I do not see any serious danger of overburdening them because of that. We could make clear that respondents only have to answer what they deem relevant.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Without wanting to repeat myself: to exclude a question that was supported by a slight majority in the poll indicates some fear on what could back in terms
of substance – not because it would be useless, but because some in the group would not like the arguments being made.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m of the opinion that if we have good arguments and continue with a rational conversation there is no reason for such a fear whatsoever.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">BTW: did the CCWG Plenary decide on this? Or give any direction? I would not like to spend time on a topic already decided…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Kind regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jorge
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mueller, Milton L [<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu">mailto:milton@gatech.edu</a>]
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 15. Dezember 2016 23:13<br>
<b>An:</b> Cancio Jorge BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>;
<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>; <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">
accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> RE: Jurisdiction Proposed Questions and Poll Results</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jorge</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Question 4 clearly does not have consensus support from the group. What DOES has clear overwhelming consensus is: a) Questions 1-3, and b) support for sending
out the first 3 questions if 4 does not have sufficient support.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Worse, Q4 basically defeats the purpose of the entire fact-finding mission.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Our first 3 questions are short, clear and simple and factual in terms of what is needed to answer them</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The 4<sup>th</sup> question is worded in a wooly and confusion manner and is asking for opinions, not facts.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You have to understand that the time and attention span of survey respondents is limited. If you throw a long, ambiguous and unclear
question at them you get fewer responses. And by asking for opinions rather than facts, Q4 taints the rest of the questions and we are likely to get more opinions and fewer facts as a result.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Let’s bring this to a close and send out the factual questions by themselves. If people want to initiate another process to send out a completely different
kind of question, let it be done separately.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">--MM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>; <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">
accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Jurisdiction Proposed Questions and Poll Results</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-CH" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear CCWG</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I apologize for not being able to attend today’s call due to other prior engagements.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Let me add that I’m in support of sending out all 4 questions prepared in the Jurisdiction Group.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I feel that at this point of our discussions, where we are trying to gather as many facts, experiences and reasoned opinions as possible which are relevant
for the influence that ICANN’s jurisdiction has on its operations and accountability mechanisms, we should not rule out questions (as question nr. 4) that have been considered important by an important part of the Subgroup (in fact, by a slight majority of
it).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">At later stages we may determine whether ingoing responses regarding that question are factual or are mere opinions without a well-founded basis.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">At this moment I think that excluding relevant questions could give rise to wrong perceptions and could potentially prevent us from knowing relevant experiences/assessments
covered only by question nr. 4.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">@staff: please note these comments in the relevant part of the call.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Mathieu Weill<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 14. Dezember 2016 08:44<br>
<b>An:</b> Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [CCWG-ACCT] TR: Jurisdiction Proposed Questions and Poll Results</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear Colleagues,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">On behalf of the jurisdiction subgroup rapporteurs, please find attached two documents that will be discussed in the upcoming plenary.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mathieu</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span lang="FR" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Greg Shatan [<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 14 décembre 2016 07:37<br>
<b>À :</b> <a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía; Thomas Rickert;
<a href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org">acct-staff@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Jurisdiction Proposed Questions and Poll Results</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">The Jurisdiction Subgroup is considering distributing a questionnaire. The first attachment shows the proposed preamble (introduction to the questions) and each of the questions
proposed in the Subgroup.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">The second attachment shows the results of a poll taken in the Subgroup to get a sense of support in the group for each of the questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">These documents should be sent to the CCWG Plenary for discussion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Greg</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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