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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=FR link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Seun,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>First, there are different interpretations of the WS1 report regarding the scope of work of the Jurisdiction subgroup. This is important to recognize and acknowledge.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>While discussion of ICANN’s place of incorporation is not central to the work of the incumbent subgroup, as per the recommendations of our WS1 report, should the subgroup identify an issue where it appears that the only apparent solution would be a change in ICANN’s place of incorporation, then the issue would be discussed, since we don’t want to rule out any discussions that can help the subgroup produce a better and complete outcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To that end, the subgroup must keep in mind that having ICANN move its place of incorporation materially means dismantling the accountability framework of WS1. Indeed, it could mean dismantling ICANN as we know it and building a new organization from the ground up, hence the difficulty in implementing such a task without huge risks around it.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In addition, we know that:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>• ICANN’s incorporation and location in California was listed as one of the existing accountability mechanisms at the very beginning of our work in WS1;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>• ICANN’s Articles of Incorporation (which is treated the same as a fundamental Bylaw) say that ICANN’s HQ is in California;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>• We need consensus on each recommendation, at the plenary level and with the Chartering Orgs and the Board.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You are most welcome to join the subgroup, bearing in mind that we need to find a way forward that is suitable to all. As is often the case in such discussions, listening to each other is even more important than speaking up, if we want to ensure a constructive outcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We hope this (delayed) response is helpful to you, and look forward to your further contributions. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thomas, Leon & Mathieu <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>PS : many thanks to Greg Shatan for his support in drafting this response. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De :</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com] <br><b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 14 décembre 2016 22:16<br><b>À :</b> Mathieu Weill<br><b>Cc :</b> Accountability Cross Community<br><b>Objet :</b> Clarification about Greg's response<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear Co-Chairs,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I figured I should create a new thread for my question to avoid any mis-understanding as my question is not in response to any of the 4 "jurisdiction questions" but a clarification on scope of the jurisdiction sub-group with respect to the WS1 proposal.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I look forward to Greg's response.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Co-Chairs,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As a follow-up to my question on the call and based on Greg's response which I think may be beyond the jurisdiction scope as stipulated in the WS1 proposal. I like to get further clarity for the record.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Let me re-state my question again: "is change of ICANN's current jurisdiction of incorporation open for debate within WS2 hence can be an(or one of the) outcome from the jurisdiction sub-group"?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Greg's Response was "somewhat yes" - if there is an issue that warrants it then it will be recommended.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>While I have no problem leaving such option open for discussion in future (perhaps by other group even though it's been discussed significantly in the past), and ofcourse the actions of the new US govt could trigger such need especially if the ICANN Board is convinced as such but that is not the case as as today. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am concerned that the sub-group on jurisdiction seem to imply place of incorporation is within their scope hence may probably be expending resources on that discussion point. Resources which includes volunteer time and most importantly legal working hours which isn't cheap from experience ;-). In addition, the unnecessary tension(most importantly the political ones) that this would create cannot be under estimated - ICANN just had a major structural reform and should be given time to settle and live a normal life for once ;-).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I will appreciate if Greg could confirm whether i have parsed his response accurately and also provide reference to appropriate section of WS1 proposal to support his response.<br><br>Regards<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my LG G4<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 14 Dec 2016 08:44, "Mathieu Weill" <<a href="mailto:mathieu.weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">mathieu.weill@afnic.fr</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Colleagues, </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>On behalf of the jurisdiction subgroup rapporteurs, please find attached two documents that will be discussed in the upcoming plenary. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mathieu</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De :</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Greg Shatan [mailto:<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 14 décembre 2016 07:37<br><b>À :</b> <a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía; Thomas Rickert; <a href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org" target="_blank">acct-staff@icann.org</a><br><b>Objet :</b> Jurisdiction Proposed Questions and Poll Results</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'></span><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Co-Chairs and Staff:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The Jurisdiction Subgroup is considering distributing a questionnaire. The first attachment shows the proposed preamble (introduction to the questions) and each of the questions proposed in the Subgroup.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The second attachment shows the results of a poll taken in the Subgroup to get a sense of support in the group for each of the questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>These documents should be sent to the CCWG Plenary for discussion.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Greg</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><br>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>------------------------------------------------------------------------<span style='color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><i><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#006600'>Seun Ojedeji,<br>Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br>web: </span></i><i><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#888888'><a href="http://www.fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank">http://www.fuoye.edu.ng</a><br></span></i><i><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#006600'>Mobile: +2348035233535</span></i><i><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#888888'><br></span></i><i><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#006600'>alt email:<a href="http://goog_1872880453" target="_blank"> </a><a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng</a></span></i><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#888888'>Bringing another down does not take you up - think about your action!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>