<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All,</div><div>Once again,</div><div>NOTHING  IS AGREED UNTIL EVERY THING IS AGREED .</div><div>EITHER ALL 4 OR NOTHING </div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-12-22 17:01 GMT+01:00 parminder <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p><font face="Verdana">Dear Kavouss</font></p>
    <p><font face="Verdana">You are right, we should first deal with the
        issue of the questionnaire. <br>
      </font></p>
    <p><font face="Verdana">I agree, as do many others, that there is no
        justification to remove the proposed Q 4 from the questionnaire.
        The question must go out along with others.</font></p>
    <p><font face="Verdana">A question seeking information is only a
        question seeking information. People may chose to not respond to
        it, or give different responses, likely in opposition to one
        another. That is all very fine, and quite expected. But such
        forceful arguments to not ask for certain kinds of information
        is very disturbing, even alarming. (I have issues with how the
        other questions are framed, but I am fine to let them go out
        because some people want them to be posed.)<br>
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    <p><font face="Verdana">Ordinarily, if a good number of participants
        here wanted a question, that should be enough to include it.
        Here, a majority of those who voted on the issue of this
        particular question wanted the question included. That should
        have conclusively stopped the debate. But no, not so. There is
        persistent effort to censor this question. And this in a process
        that is advertised as open, transparent, collaborative, and what
        not. There is something very basically wrong here. <br><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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    <p>parminder <br>
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    <div class="m_9073863452087815349moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 22 December 2016 07:20 PM,
      Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<br>
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        <div>Dear John.</div>
        <div>Dear Parminder,</div>
        <div>It is difficult for me to conclude on any solution between
          the lines of your discussion.</div>
        <div>Could any of you kindly give a resume of the  exchanged
          views.</div>
        <div>We need to look for some compromise solution knowing that
          some hard liners like x and y insist to impose their
          objections to send Q4.I continue to object to all questions
          until all 4 are agreed</div>
        <div>Nothing is agreed untill everything is agreed</div>
        <div>this is a  Global multistakholder Group discussion and NOT
          North American Sub-Region multistakholder Group dominated by
          certain individuals</div>
        <div>Regards</div>
        <div>Kavouss <span></span></div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">2016-12-22 13:06 GMT+01:00 parminder <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                <div class="m_9073863452087815349m_-6062255183317377725moz-cite-prefix">On
                  Tuesday 20 December 2016 08:37 PM, John Laprise wrote:<br>
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                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div class="m_9073863452087815349m_-6062255183317377725WordSection1">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_9073863452087815349_m_-6062255183317377725__MailEndCompose"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">“</span></a><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">To
                          turn ones face away and say, nothing can be
                          done here, to evolve our democratic
                          international systems, is to vote for a status
                          quo which serves some, but not others.</span></span><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">”</span></span><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"></span></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Rather,
                          it is an acknowledgement of reality. </span></span></p>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
              </span> Apologies for appearing to be flippant, but isnt
              that what every status quo-ist says. <br>
              <span>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Rule
                          of law is neither globally strong nor evenly
                          distributed. I can imagine a world in which
                          the way forward you describe is plausible but,
                          regrettably, it is not the one we live in.
                          Other systems need strengthening and in some
                          cases even existence before the way forward is
                          open. It</span></span><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">’</span></span><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">s
                          not a vote for the status quo but a
                          recognition of path dependency. </span></span></p>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
              </span> I am not asking for a violent deviation from the
              path - both options that I propose, a new international
              law and immunity under existing US Act carries forward the
              path-dependency, and completely safeguard the existing
              structures and processes of ICANN, the system I think you
              allude to as requiring strengthening. What I propose in
              fact further strengthens it, to a considerable extent. The
              ICANN system&#39;s current jurisdictional oversight by a
              single country is its biggest weak point in terms of
              international legitimacy. ( A point, unfortunately USians
              here seem not able to see and sympathise with.) Imagine an
              ICANN with immunity from US jurisdiction; how much
              legitimacy, and thus strength, it adds to the system.<span><br>
                <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div class="m_9073863452087815349m_-6062255183317377725WordSection1">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"></span></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Thanks
                          for the back rounder Parminder. It was, along
                          with some parallel research, quite helpful.</span></span></p>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
              </span> Thanks John, you are welcome. <br>
              <span> <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div class="m_9073863452087815349m_-6062255183317377725WordSection1">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">
                          The problem remains however that there is no
                          analogous organization to ICANN merely in
                          terms of its contractual authority.</span></span></p>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
              </span> Firstly, if we are hoping that a fully-developed,
              well-rounded solution, with everything fully covered by
              enough exact precedents, to this complex but very genuine
              problem, will simply one day drop in our laps, I assure
              you that this is not going to happen. We have to work for
              it, join the dots, take risks, make innovations, and so
              on. The point is, who is losing and gaining what from the
              present dispensation, and who is willing to do what is
              required to do. <br>
              <br>
              Next, I see that organisations like International
              Fertilizer and Development Centre, which we cited as an
              example of an NPO given jurisdictional immunity, also does
              run many projects worldwide. Any such project would
              require use of a legal status, entering contracts, and so
              on.... We just need to look into it. But if we close our
              eyes, and simply refuse to explore options, we are not
              going to get anywhere. I am not saying this example will
              be an exact fit for our requirement, but we need to see
              what is possible, and innovate and evolve over it. <br>
              <span> <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div class="m_9073863452087815349m_-6062255183317377725WordSection1">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">
                          I</span></span><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">’</span></span><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">d
                          also add that many of the benefits of the act
                          are at the discretion of the US Secretary of
                          State and can be revoked.</span></span></p>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
              </span> Yes, which is why immunity under US Act is less
              sustainable option than international law based immunity.
              But still better than the present condition. In the<a href="http://www.itforchange.net/sites/default/files/Jurisdiction%20of%20ICANN.pdf" target="_blank"> recent civil society statement on
                jurisdiction</a>, we also suggested a method whereby any
              such withdrawal of immunity can be made difficult/
              ineffectual (see option 3 in the end). <br>
              <span> <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div class="m_9073863452087815349m_-6062255183317377725WordSection1">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">
                          The proposed jurisdictional immunity would
                          also require all governments to sign off on
                          such status, given ICANN</span></span><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">’</span></span><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">s
                          reach.</span></span></p>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
              </span> I dont see why so. Only US gov needs to agree. <br>
              <span>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div class="m_9073863452087815349m_-6062255183317377725WordSection1">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"></span></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I
                          know that there is a significant literature on
                          international compacts and law. Given the
                          often decades long time frames for the passage
                          and acceptance of such law, the Internet as we
                          know it is unlikely to exist by the time it
                          comes into force. </span></span></p>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
              </span> These are weak excuses. It can be done in 6
              months. But in any case, if it satisfies those who want to
              move towards international jurisdiction, what do you lose
              in allowing to set in motion the process, esp if you think
              it would take forever to do anything. Let those who want
              have it. In the interim, status quo would stay.<span><br>
                <br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div class="m_9073863452087815349m_-6062255183317377725WordSection1">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"></span></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">To
                          your question about why we do not discuss
                          jurisdictional immunity under US law: it is
                          because the domestic political reality of the
                          situation makes such an eventuality so remote
                          as to be hypothetical. </span></span></p>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
              </span> The same domestic situation makes the continuation
              of ICANN under US jurisdiction even less tenable. <br>
              <br>
              This brings me to a very important point: the job of CCWG,
              working on behalf of the global community, is not to
              second guess what US gov will accept or not
              (unfortunately, that is what it has mostly done). If this
              was its real task, we as well may let US gov do what it
              may, instead of providing them the cover of legitimacy of
              the supposed will of the so called &#39;global community&#39;
              which is what this process does. Our job is to recommend
              what we think in is best global interest, and is
              ordinarily plausible to do. This is what our job is, and
              we must just do that. Let US gov do its job - accept our
              recs or not. That burden is upon them - let s not take up
              their burden. This aspect of the work of the &quot;community&quot;
              groups involved in the transition process has always
              greatly bothered me. We must have clarity about - on whose
              behalf are we working (i think, for the global community,
              but you can clarify) and what our recs must be based on (I
              think, on our understanding of what is best for the global
              community, and not what we think US gov likes and would
              agree to, and what not, but again you can clarify)<span><br>
                <br>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"></span></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span></span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">The
                          described quest is admirable but IMO is a
                          non-starter. Conditions do not exist presently
                          to make it a possible.</span></span></p>
                  </div>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
              </span> We are part of once in decades constitutional
              process about ICANN&#39;s structures. If it is not now, it is
              never. <br>
              <div>
                <div class="m_9073863452087815349h5"> <br>
                  parminder <br>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"></span></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,serif">Best regards, </span></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,serif"> </span></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,serif;font-size:16pt">John Laprise, Ph.D.</span></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,serif">Consulting Scholar</span></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,serif"> </span></span></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span></span><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/" target="_blank"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,serif"></span></span></a><a class="m_9073863452087815349m_-6062255183317377725moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/" target="_blank"><a class="m_9073863452087815349moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/</a>jpl<wbr>aprise/<span></span><span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,serif"></span></span></a></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,serif"> </span></span></p>
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                      <span></span>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> parminder [<a class="m_9073863452087815349m_-6062255183317377725moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank"><a class="m_9073863452087815349moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange" target="_blank">mailto:parminder@itforchange</a>.<wbr>net]
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                              <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 20, 2016
                              2:57 AM<br>
                              <b>To:</b> John Laprise <a class="m_9073863452087815349m_-6062255183317377725moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a class="m_9073863452087815349moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com" target="_blank">&lt;jlaprise@gmail.com&gt;</a>;
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                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT]
                              Jurisdiction Proposed Questions and Poll
                              Results</a></a></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Monday 19 December 2016
                        08:14 PM, John Laprise wrote:<br>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext;font-size:11pt">Possibilities
                            of jurisdictional immunity? Could you please
                            provide examples of organizations that enjoy
                            such.</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        John<br>
                        The most well known case of jurisdictional
                        immunity is of course for organisations
                        incorporated under international law. Unlike
                        what has been argued here variously, although
                        international law has to be made by governments
                        through treaties etc that says nothing about the
                        actual governance structure of the concerned
                        organisation, ICANN in this case. International
                        law can, to take an extreme case, hand over
                        complete governance of a body created/
                        incorporated under international law to you and
                        me... Nothing circumscribes how international
                        law is written as long as all countries agree to
                        it. It is entirely possible, and I think
                        extremely plausible, that they would agree to
                        write in such law the exact governance structure
                        of ICANN as it is at present. Right now too,
                        ICANN exists by and under the strength of its
                        law of incorporation which is US law. In the
                        scenario I present, it would just be
                        international law instead of US law. Yes, there
                        are matters to worked out in this regard, but if
                        democracy and self-determination of all people,
                        equally, is of any importance at all, we can go
                        through the process, including doing the needed
                        innovations as needed. The current international
                        system was not handed over to us by God, it was
                        evolved by people like us, who responded
                        appropriately to newer and newer global
                        challenges, as the one that faces us now. To
                        turn ones face away and say, nothing can be done
                        here, to evolve our democratic international
                        systems, is to vote for a status quo which
                        serves some, but not others. And these are the
                        others that are protesting here, and seeking
                        appropriate change. It is a political issue,
                        lets not treat it as a technical issue, of what
                        is argued to be difficult or too &quot;troublesome&quot;
                        to pursue. <br>
                        <br>
                        Next, even without going the international law
                        route, as has been said many times earlier here,
                        US law allows even non profits to be given
                        jurisdictional immunity. The concerned law is
                        the <u><span style="color:navy"><a href="https://archive.icann.org/en/psc/annex9.pdf" target="_blank">United States
                              International Organisations Immunities Act</a></span></u>
                        . And an example of a US non-profit being given
                        jurisdiction immunity under it is<em><span style="font-size:10pt;font-style:normal">
                            International Fertilizer and Development
                            Center. </span></em>This has been discussed
                        in a report commissioned by ICANN itself which
                        can be found at <a href="https://archive.icann.org/en/psc/corell-24aug06.html" target="_blank">https://archive.icann.org/en/p<wbr>sc/corell-24aug06.html</a>
                        . <br>
                        <br>
                        I have been unable to understand why can we not
                        agree to even jurisdictional immunity under
                        existing US law, which keeps ICANN in the US,
                        preserves its existing structures, and does go
                        considerable way to address the concerns about
                        those who are concerned about application of US
                        public law on ICANN, and what it may mean for
                        its global governance work. <br>
                        <br>
                        The argument is advanced that this may affect
                        the operation of the newly instituted community
                        accountability mechanism. I dont think this is
                        not true. This mechanism is a matter of internal
                        ICANN governance system, which is a &#39;private&#39;
                        arrangement with choice of law available to it.
                        It simply has to be put in ICANN bylaws that
                        ICANN governance processes will be subject to
                        adjudication by Californian courts as present.
                        That should do. Of course the mentioned
                        International Fertilizer and Development Centre
                        also must be existing with some governance
                        systems, that admit of external adjudication,
                        even as it enjoys the benefit of jurisdictional
                        immunity from US public laws. Such immunity
                        always only pertains to the policy and such
                        international core activities of the concerned
                        organisation, and associated matters. It would
                        not, for instance, extend to actual crime being
                        committed by its personnel on its premises. All
                        such matters of various distinctions get taken
                        care of when we enter the actual processes of
                        such immunities etc. Right now, the issue is
                        only to decide to go down the route, or not.<br>
                        <br>
                        parminder <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,serif">Best regards, </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,serif"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,serif;font-size:16pt">John Laprise, Ph.D.</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,serif">Consulting Scholar</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,serif"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(5,99,193);font-family:&quot;Garamond&quot;,serif"><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/jpl<wbr>aprise/</a></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community<wbr>-bounces@icann.org</a>
                                [<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:accountability-cross-c<wbr>ommunity-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 19, 2016
                                7:10 AM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community<wbr>@icann.org</a><br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT]
                                Jurisdiction Proposed Questions and Poll
                                Results</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">On Saturday 17 December
                            2016 12:40 AM, Mueller, Milton L wrote:</p>
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                          <pre>SNIP </pre>
                          <pre>John Laprise&#39;s wording was much, much better: </pre>
                          <pre>&quot;What are the advantages or disadvantages, if any, relating to changing ICANN’s jurisdiction*, particularly with regard to the actual operation of ICANN’s policies and accountability mechanisms?&quot;</pre>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                          This formulation does not include
                          possibilities of jurisdictional immunity. <br>
                          <br>
                          Something like <br>
                          <br>
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                        <pre>&quot;What are the advantages or disadvantages, if any, relating to changing ICANN’s jurisdiction*, <b><i>or providing possible jurisdictional immunity,</i></b> particularly with regard to the actual operation of ICANN’s policies and accountability mechanisms?&quot;</pre>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                          would be better.<br>
                          <br>
                          parminder <br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
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