<div dir="auto">Hello Kavouss,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I like to correct a word in my last mail. Where I used "don't" I meant to use "do", I expected that my footer message would have saved me but apparently it didn't (Considering your accusation of not being coherent which I think wasn't appropriate). ;-)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Let me now make a second attempt to state my view (even though I think it was clear from that previous mail), while also addressing your comments<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1. Like Martin, I am also curious to know what problem exists to warrant change of jurisdiction.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2. I expect that is what question 4 is trying to achieve. Hence I suggested we push it and see what response comes from it. Even though I feel it's going to cost us but I have come to realise it's better that it's done soon enough than later. So we can at least have a coherent outcome of an MS process to refer to in future when such subject comes up.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">3. In this process I am participating as an individual and not as official representative of any of the COs. While it's good to have camp(sides); i.e people with similar views against the other, I don't think one can draw that line clearly on this particular subject of discussion yet. However, you will certainly have definite response soon but it will be based on the individual issues raised about jurisdiction (which I expect has to be fact based). Alberto has raised a few questions that I personally will also use</div><div dir="auto"> to analyse the issues to be raised in response to question 4.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">4. Thanks for raising the .Africa issue and yes I am significantly concerned but there is a saying in my language "if we decide to burn a snake by its length we may burn the house as well". So while I am also not happy with how that event went so far, I don't think it's a reason to change ICANN's incorporation. Definitely, it may be good to discuss measures to put in place by ICANN to avoid getting to that level in future and I look forward to that discussion (if it has not already happened internally).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">5. I remain proudly African, "an actual volunteer" definitely may not be as committed as some others but without "governmental or business interest" in this process. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Finally Kavouss, I do hope my view and stand on this subject is now clear enough even though this is a little bit longer than my previous posts. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Merry Christmas and Happy new year! </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards<br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Sent from my LG G4<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 Dec 2016 23:59, "Kavouss Arasteh" <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_2688723947177956960quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Seun,</div><div>You put many words together but that has nothing to do with Jurisdiction .</div><div>Just an incoherent approach .</div><div>Please clearly describe your idea which camp do you defend pls ?</div><div>No change ? </div><div>Or address the sensitive jurisdiction .</div><div>Can you tell me what the business of the US Court to decide on . afarica.:</div><div>You are African and must normally defend that people.</div><div>Why a UIS COURS is expected to decide on the interest of African People in deciding whether it is the intestats of African to delegate the string to Applicant 1 or applicant 2 .</div><div>Why not an African or international court should decide on the case.</div><div>Regards</div><font color="#888888"><div>Kavouss </div></font></div><div class="m_2688723947177956960elided-text"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-12-29 23:22 GMT+01:00 Seun Ojedeji <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">While I also share same question with Martin, I don't think it may be too early to give a definite response as you seem to have provided Milton as I guess that is what the question 4 seem to be all about. Unless we are already trying to process the questions before administering them.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hence I also look forward to what comes up as responses to that question even though I have feeling that it's gonna cost volunteer time and legal fees :)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cheers!<br><br><div dir="auto" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Sent from my LG G4<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos</div></div></div><div class="m_2688723947177956960m_-1512067031533382403HOEnZb"><div class="m_2688723947177956960m_-1512067031533382403h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 Dec 2016 23:03, "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><br>
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> I have read a number of the mails on this issue, but had not been following the<br>
> prior discussion. Is there anything that I can read that does an analysis of<br>
> specific issues related to the jurisdiction and how these might be addressed in<br>
> different jurisdictions?<br>
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No, there isn't. We are still debating whether and how to send out questions asking people about this.<br>
Join the fun on the jurisdiction subgroup list!<br>
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